What is the Main Reason GB has not won a Super Bowl in the past 12 years ?

[texaspackerbacker]

A lot of good reasons hahahaha. I say again, though, you can boil it down to L U C K - anytime a few plays in a playoff game go bad, you can call that L U C K. Doing well enough to get to those rotten losses in the playoffs, on the other hand, that takes good personnel - a competent (more likely LUCKY) GM, a GOAT QB, at least borderline competent (often lucky there too) Coach and his assistants. In other words, the big deal is the 13, 14, whatever regular season wins that get you into position that counts.

[Bretsky]

F'ck Luck

Luck is nothing but a cop out reason to be able to say you are never wrong

[Bretsky]

I am happy my poll is seeing so much action. I enjoy arguments and entertainment in here.

I honestly don't know what to think.

On one hand, I think there were a couple years where we had the best all around team in the NFL. I'd probably look at those two years and say one was sub par coaching and they other was shit QB play as main reason's we underachieved

But y'all also know me well enough to know I've pounded the table year after year after year after year to draft a WR in round two because the motherload of F'ck ups was not giving Devante Adams a legit number two WR to work with. Think Tee Higgins as well as many more we failed to get when we just needed one more weapon to get open when we had 4 shots against San Fran. For that I say nice job Gutebag....welll bad QB play in second half there too.

That's what makes this a Pot Stirrin Poll; it's a toughie

[call_me_ishmael]

If thats what you think you should back it up by breaking down the drafts. You should explain how having 2 starters from each of his drafts while winning 13 games 3 years in a row equates 1-1.5 contributors.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?32568-Official-Superb-Owl-LVII-Discussion-Thread&p=1131396&viewfull=1#post1131396

[NewsBruin]

Not disagreeing, but I have some comments:

I think Belichick is a fantastic coach but a below average GM. (Look at his drafts.

I remember reading at least a decade ago about some consolidated scouting service that all but four NFL teams subscribed to. Two of the four were the Raiders and the Patriots, and that joke just writes itself.

Bill has always seemed bullheaded about taking the non-consensus small school reach in the first round. With the exception of Randy Moss, he's never wanted to take an "athletic" WR (until Tyquan Thorton). He'd rather scrap with a twitchy-small white guy like Amendola, Edelman, Welker, or Woodhead. Maybe he doesn't want egos. Maybe it's exploiting market inefficiencies. Maybe it's just "sportsmanship" or not having a #1 for other teams to gameplan. Maybe they'll just do things that other receivers won't. Don't ever pick up a New England offensive player for your fantasy roster.

[HarveyWallbangers]

F'ck Luck

Luck is nothing but a cop out reason to be able to say you are never wrong

Not really. It takes luck to win a Super Bowl. Almost every year the Super Bowl winner had luck go there way in the playoffs. Brandon Bostick vs Seattle, questionable non-defensive holding calls vs Tampa Bay (not so much the call on Kevin King, but the numerous holds against our guys), and blocked punt vs San Fran is where things went against us.

[MadScientist]

Not really. It takes luck to win a Super Bowl. Almost every year the Super Bowl winner had luck go there way in the playoffs. Brandon Bostick vs Seattle, questionable non-defensive holding calls vs Tampa Bay (not so much the call on Kevin King, but the numerous holds against our guys), and blocked punt vs San Fran is where things went against us.

None of those are luck. Those are a mix of bad players and bad coaching. Bostik was told to block a guy and let the good hands guy behind him get the ball. He didn't. King and others needed to play the way the refs call the game. They study the refs every week, and know the tendencies. Blocked punt and the rest of the special ed teams that year was also on the coach and players. Talented and well coached teams create their own luck.

[bobblehead]

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...=1#post1131396

Gee, you proved we weren't the ONE team that won the owl. I guess that proves Gutes drafts suck and he is shit.

[bobblehead]

I'll do it one more time for those who pretend I never have before.

2018 Jaire and MVS. 2 starters. Plus added 2019 draft capital
2019 Gary and Jenkins. Savage as well. Savage disappointed this year, but thats 3 starters on teams that won 13 games.
2020 Love, Dillon and Runyan. A good starter, a time share RB and the future QB. Love will tell the final story on this being either slightly below average or great.
2021 Stokes and Myers both started for a team that won 13 games. Other contributors still on roster.
2022 imo the best draft yet. Time will tell how good. Solid contributors with a decent future are Wyatt, Walker, Watson, Doubs, Tom and Enagbare. Overall just too early to grade though.

[sharpe1027]

The GM controls the coaches and players. If the coaches or players are responsible, that's still on the GM for chosing them in the first place.

[call_me_ishmael]

I'll do it one more time for those who pretend I never have before.

2018 Jaire and MVS. 2 starters. Plus added 2019 draft capital
2019 Gary and Jenkins. Savage as well. Savage disappointed this year, but thats 3 starters on teams that won 13 games.
2020 Love, Dillon and Runyan. A good starter, a time share RB and the future QB. Love will tell the final story on this being either slightly below average or great.
2021 Stokes and Myers both started for a team that won 13 games. Other contributors still on roster.
2022 imo the best draft yet. Time will tell how good. Solid contributors with a decent future are Wyatt, Walker, Watson, Doubs, Tom and Enagbare. Overall just too early to grade though.

We few things differently for certain but I do believe that 2022 has the potential to be the best one. I like to use "agreed to second contract" as the metric as teams normally don't let good young players go who have been established in their progrem for 4+ years. That is highly unusual that someone worth getting a contract doesn't get one. Which is why FA is almost always dudes that are cut.

[Joemailman]

The GM controls the coaches and players. If the coaches or players are responsible, that's still on the GM for chosing them in the first place.

The GM doesn't control the coaches. Gute doesn't have total control over the football operations that Thompson and Wolf did. He can't fire MLF. And all indications are MLF hires his assistants.

[run pMc]

The GM doesn't control the coaches. Gute doesn't have total control over the football operations that Thompson and Wolf did. He can't fire MLF. And all indications are MLF hires his assistants.

This is true. Gute and MLF report to Murphy, i.e., MLF doesn't report to Gute. Gute is responsible for acquiring the players, MLF is responsible for his coaches and the execution of the players.
MLF was likely "encouraged" by Murphy to keep Pettine, but aside from that it's been his guys. Whether it's the coaches or the GM who is more responsible for the last few seasons of 13+ wins is not an either-or thing. I think it's a team with talented players.

FWIW, I'm not a fan of the current structure. HC should be hired and report to GM IMO, but whatever.

[Fritz]

The GM controls the coaches and players. If the coaches or players are responsible, that's still on the GM for chosing them in the first place.

And it's on the team president to make sure the GM is doing the job. Murphy turned a blind eye to Thompson's cognitive decline. That cost this team for a few years.

I think the poll needs an option to vote for Mark Murphy as the reason for the lack of SB's in the Rodgers era. Not all on him - that Seattle game sits with Fat Mike - but a few years after that it was becoming clear, even to the public, that TT was slipping, and Murphy waited and waited and did nothing until things got pretty damn bad. And it wasn't as if he did Ted any favors.

[call_me_ishmael]

This is true. Gute and MLF report to Murphy, i.e., MLF doesn't report to Gute. Gute is responsible for acquiring the players, MLF is responsible for his coaches and the execution of the players.
MLF was likely "encouraged" by Murphy to keep Pettine, but aside from that it's been his guys. Whether it's the coaches or the GM who is more responsible for the last few seasons of 13+ wins is not an either-or thing. I think it's a team with talented players.

FWIW, I'm not a fan of the current structure. HC should be hired and report to GM IMO, but whatever.

Murphy is the general manager of the football org. Gooter is the roster guy. GM in name only.