What is the Main Reason GB has not won a Super Bowl in the past 12 years ?

[Deputy Nutz]

Defense wins championships, or loses championships. I just don't think the Packers have had an elite defense for decades. Rodgers takes up way too much of the salary cap for the last 10 years for them to go out and sign quality free agents to fill gaps. The Packers franchise is obsessed with being quality year in and year out. They are not obsessed with winning Super Bowls. If you can't get in early on difference makers or even fill ins in free agency, then you better hit in your drafts, something the Packers haven't been great at in the last 10 years.

[bobblehead]

It is about luck but there are clearly some teams better at evaluating players than others. Baltimore is the first one that comes to mind. Ozzie and now DeCosta really know how to draft.

The first one to come to mind is a team with an MVP on a rookie deal that has won far less games than Gutes has?? That is kinda blowing up your own argument isn't it?

[call_me_ishmael]

The first one to come to mind is a team with an MVP on a rookie deal that has won far less games than Gutes has?? That is kinda blowing up your own argument isn't it?

Look at the last 25 years? They are probably the best drafting franchise. They are consistently successful and one of the top tier organizations IMO. Great owner, great coach, great GM, etc.

I'm not really sure what you mean by my argument, though. What are we discussing here? I don't recall but it if it's about Gooter's drafting record I think most people are generally aligned that he needs to do better.

[Jaire]

Not a little is bad luck. That TB team was the best defense in a decade, right with the SB championship Broncos and LoB. Without Bakh, they still almost won and gave the Bucs their only real competion in that post season. They were really banged up against San Fran the next year and were easy favorites if healthy. That was not like the 2015 debacle, which was 80 percent coaching errors. 2020 and 2021 were their years. Last year, neglected holes caught up with them, and the coaching proved middle of the road. If they have a future, the coaching needs to improve.

Still, I gotta put it on the FO for not getting a WR sooner and 2020 was the obvious year to grab one. No way to look at that draft and not be disappointed top to bottom. Also, Gute has very few of his picks still playing with the team.

[call_me_ishmael]

I do wonder a lot if the Packers won a super bowl or two if they drafted Tee Higgins. Dude is a stud, and we were one player away ish both times.

I do kinda wonder if that haunts Gooter. There is a reasonably good chance he never gets back.

[Bretsky]

I do wonder a lot if the Packers won a super bowl or two if they drafted Tee Higgins. Dude is a stud, and we were one player away ish both times.

I do kinda wonder if that haunts Gooter. There is a reasonably good chance he never gets back.

[Joemailman]

I do wonder a lot if the Packers won a super bowl or two if they drafted Tee Higgins. Dude is a stud, and we were one player away ish both times.

I do kinda wonder if that haunts Gooter. There is a reasonably good chance he never gets back.

If you're talking about 2020 and 2021 the one player they were short was Bakhtiari, and in 2021 also Jenkins. OL was a bigger problem than WR.

[Fritz]

I wonder if the loss to Tampa Bay a few years ago in the NFCCG haunts Rodgers?

I know it sill haunts me. They had the ball and the lead with six minutes left.

[Joemailman]

I wonder if the loss to Tampa Bay a few years ago in the NFCCG haunts Rodgers?

I know it sill haunts me. They had the ball and the lead with six minutes left.

You're confusing the Tampa Bay loss with the 49ers loss. Packers never had the lead against Tampa Bay in the 4th quarter. They had the lead in the 4th quarter against 49ers until the blocked punt with 4:50 left.

[Jaire]

I wonder if the loss to Tampa Bay a few years ago in the NFCCG haunts Rodgers?

I know it sill haunts me. They had the ball and the lead with six minutes left.

nah. I know the 2015 haunts him (he's said so) and probably the fiasco last year with San Fran. Overall they played very well against TB, a game they needed to be perfect in to win and they nearly pulled off. The late first half TD was on the refs, and coaches for not calling time out. It's the ones you should have won that haunt. TB was the best team in maybe seven years since Denver 2015.

[red]

I wonder if the loss to Tampa Bay a few years ago in the NFCCG haunts Rodgers?

I know it sill haunts me. They had the ball and the lead with six minutes left.

well it sure as shit haunts me, i was one of the 2,000 asshole or whatever it was at that game

at least i got to flip of brady when he looked up at me after a TD

[Deputy Nutz]

When you throw a terrible pass on 3rd down when you could have just walked the ball into the endzone sure as shit would have haunted me if I was Aaron Rodgers. Probably the beginning of the end for him when it came time to winning games with the season on the line.

[Fritz]

You're confusing the Tampa Bay loss with the 49ers loss. Packers never had the lead against Tampa Bay in the 4th quarter. They had the lead in the 4th quarter against 49ers until the blocked punt with 4:50 left.

You're right. I'm getting them mixed up. The San Fran game was the one in which they had the ball and the lead with about six minutes left. The Tampa Bay game was the one in which on third down Rodgers could've scored if he'd run it in instead of throwing a low-percentage pass. And let's say he gets tackled three yards short. Then you've still got fourth down.

Rodgers has screwed up in a couple of big games, right when you need him most. No wonder I'm getting mixed up.

[call_me_ishmael]

When you throw a terrible pass on 3rd down when you could have just walked the ball into the endzone sure as shit would have haunted me if I was Aaron Rodgers. Probably the beginning of the end for him when it came time to winning games with the season on the line.

Man, I love me some Aaron Rodgers the same way I loved Brett Favre, but even I can admit that a young, hungry, JLove probably would have scored and taken the hit. That's the difference right there.

[Joemailman]

Rodgers would not have scored on the 3rd and 8 play. 2010 Rodgers maybe, but not 2020 Rodgers. But I've watched that play a lot, and I think he could have gotten close enough that MLF might have gone for it on 4th down.