OFFICIAL AARON RODGERS THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Bretsky]

Rodgers no longer bought in. He wanted Gutebag fired two years ago and GB made the mistake of allowing Rodgers to bend them over in the contract instead of just trading him then.

I appreciated what Rodgers did for GB.

But he turned Karen and it was time to let Karen move on

[MadScientist]

All depends on your point. I've been happier than probably anybody in here with the huge winning regular season records. Ol' Vince didn't exactly specify winning what hahahaha.

The piss ants in here (sharpe, that means you) whining and posting stupidity, doing their damnedest to get rid of Rodgers often are the same fools posting that anything short of a Super Bowl is shit. Good Luck with that. Maybe we might have a sniff of a Super Bowl in a decade or two. Don't get me wrong, we actually do have a fairly respectable - make that excellent - overall roster. That plus Rodgers woulda put the Packers on a very short list of Super Bowl contenders, But no more. The shitheads got their wish, and now we all pay the price for the foreseeable future.

Well, I have fonder memories of a 10-6 season that ended in a Superbowl victory than the 15-1 season that followed, with the quick exit in the playoffs.

There's talent on this roster, but some critical weaknesses. Three receivers were rookies last year and the others rookies this year. The only two TE's with any talent are rookies. In another year or so this could be a very good group, but right now they iwll likely be inconsistent. Offensive line play wasn't that great last year, with the right side being a particular concern. And of course can this DC take all these first round picks for the defense and produce a decent result? Regardless of who is the QB, this roster is a year or two away.

[Fritz]

I think he would have stayed as long as he had some control over who else stayed. I think he came to realize he wasn't going to have that control.

I agree with this, Joe. I do think Guter caved to Rodgers last year, maybe to keep his job, given that it seems Rodgers or Rodgers's rep called Mark Murphy to let him know Rodgers wanted Guter fired in 2021. But then last season happened, and Guter saw that the team's "run it back" hadn't gone very far, so he wrested control back from Rodgers, or was going to, and when he tried to reach out to Rodgers to let him know, well, Guter had to know that would not go over well. Thus the subsequent the split and the he-said-she-said stuff.

But I disagree with you in your comments about "moving on." Moving on? This whole thread is dedicated to not moving on! We need to speculate all next season about whether Rodgers is really making the Jets better, and if he would've rebounded had he stayed, and who is current girlfriend is, and how many eye-rolls he pulls in a given game, then we'll have to compare that to the average number of eye-rolls in Rodgers's last season in Green Bay. So much not-moving-on to do!

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, I have fonder memories of a 10-6 season that ended in a Superbowl victory than the 15-1 season that followed, with the quick exit in the playoffs.

There's talent on this roster, but some critical weaknesses. Three receivers were rookies last year and the others rookies this year. The only two TE's with any talent are rookies. In another year or so this could be a very good group, but right now they iwll likely be inconsistent. Offensive line play wasn't that great last year, with the right side being a particular concern. And of course can this DC take all these first round picks for the defense and produce a decent result? Regardless of who is the QB, this roster is a year or two away.

I disagree with most of that. IMO, other than QB, this roster is loaded up with more talent than pretty much anytime in the past several decades - and obviously those have been pretty good decades. Yeah, our receivers are young, but that position is not one where years of experience makes that much difference. RB we're excellent. The whole D, as Fritz said, is saturated with first rounders (the only D negative ain't part of the roster - Barry). What else? the O Line? I'm on record saying that O Line doesn't make much difference anyway hahahaha. Regardless, though, even the O Line seems to be fairly decent nowadays too. I don't see any real weakness except QB - unless lightning strikes a third time, and Love is super. If Rodgers was still the Packers QB, I (and probably most Packer fans outside of a few loons in this forum) would be extremely confident of a super season.

And as for the 10-6 Super Bowl year versus 15-1 and not, I'm about 50/50 on that. What comes to mind was the depressing series of games before the great run all the way to the SB - a lot of bad feeling, 6 to be exact, versus just two bad feeling days in the 15-1 season. All this "move on" talk in here ...... I'd argue that only having to move on 2 times in a season is better than needing to move on 6 times.

[sharpe1027]

IMO, a team that loaded doesn't miss the playoffs with a HOF, GOAT candidate, QB, injured thumb or not. Far worse QBs made the playoffs.

[run pMc]

I agree with this, Joe. I do think Guter caved to Rodgers last year, maybe to keep his job, given that it seems Rodgers or Rodgers's rep called Mark Murphy to let him know Rodgers wanted Guter fired in 2021. But then last season happened, and Guter saw that the team's "run it back" hadn't gone very far, so he wrested control back from Rodgers, or was going to, and when he tried to reach out to Rodgers to let him know, well, Guter had to know that would not go over well. Thus the subsequent the split and the he-said-she-said stuff.

But I disagree with you in your comments about "moving on." Moving on? This whole thread is dedicated to not moving on! We need to speculate all next season about whether Rodgers is really making the Jets better, and if he would've rebounded had he stayed, and who is current girlfriend is, and how many eye-rolls he pulls in a given game, then we'll have to compare that to the average number of eye-rolls in Rodgers's last season in Green Bay. So much not-moving-on to do!

Even if Love doesn't pan out, the widely held belief is that the pick goaded Rodgers into playing better and winning two MVPs. That in itself makes it a good draft pick.
It would have been unprecedented to trade a back to back MVP, so I understand why they tried to run it back one more year. I also don't blame Rodgers or Dunn (his agent) for trying to get as much money as possible. The team was dumb to give it to him, at least in the way they did with a 59.3M payout that would have crippled their already stretched cap. When Rodgers flopped this past year, he lost his leverage. Despite what they said publicly, you could tell there was at least something going on, and the animosity is real. It's Gute's job to decide who to draft or sign; Rodgers shouldn't be doing that. There's all the weird airing of laundry on McAfee, telling his (often untruthful) side of a story, the ayahuasca, the COVID immunizied stuff, the retirement talk, all the other stuff just added up. Eventually a straw breaking the camel's back etc.

Rodgers will make the Jets a better team, simply by him swapping in and Zach Wilson riding the pine. I question whether they are better than MIA or BUF, however, and they have a tough road in the AFC in general. Nobody is going to sleep on them this year with Rodgers at QB. One other thing: Rodgers is not the QB he was 3 years ago, he's in physical decline and unless he fixes some bad habits that reappeared last year he's going to be seen on camera close-ups rolling his eyes and swearing to himself. At this point I'd take Josh Allen over Rodgers, but Rodgers over Tua or Mac Jones in the AFCE. Remember: Rodgers has now flopped against TB in the NFCCG (3 4Q possessions, 3 pts), the SF playoff game the next year(ignoring everyone except Adams), and when it mattered against DET in the final week last season. His best games are well behind him, and Ron Wolf would tell you that's a sign to move on.

As mentioned before, he's done some great things and I have some very happy memories (owning the Bears for example) but it was definitely time to move on.

[texaspackerbacker]

That just illustrates the importance of a healthy Rodgers at QB. (this was response to sharpe's above.)

[texaspackerbacker]

Even if Love doesn't pan out, the widely held belief is that the pick goaded Rodgers into playing better and winning two MVPs. That in itself makes it a good draft pick.
It would have been unprecedented to trade a back to back MVP, so I understand why they tried to run it back one more year. I also don't blame Rodgers or Dunn (his agent) for trying to get as much money as possible. The team was dumb to give it to him, at least in the way they did with a 59.3M payout that would have crippled their already stretched cap. When Rodgers flopped this past year, he lost his leverage. Despite what they said publicly, you could tell there was at least something going on, and the animosity is real. It's Gute's job to decide who to draft or sign; Rodgers shouldn't be doing that. There's all the weird airing of laundry on McAfee, telling his (often untruthful) side of a story, the ayahuasca, the COVID immunizied stuff, the retirement talk, all the other stuff just added up. Eventually a straw breaking the camel's back etc.

Rodgers will make the Jets a better team, simply by him swapping in and Zach Wilson riding the pine. I question whether they are better than MIA or BUF, however, and they have a tough road in the AFC in general. Nobody is going to sleep on them this year with Rodgers at QB. One other thing: Rodgers is not the QB he was 3 years ago, he's in physical decline and unless he fixes some bad habits that reappeared last year he's going to be seen on camera close-ups rolling his eyes and swearing to himself. At this point I'd take Josh Allen over Rodgers, but Rodgers over Tua or Mac Jones in the AFCE. Remember: Rodgers has now flopped against TB in the NFCCG (3 4Q possessions, 3 pts), the SF playoff game the next year(ignoring everyone except Adams), and when it mattered against DET in the final week last season. His best games are well behind him, and Ron Wolf would tell you that's a sign to move on.

As mentioned before, he's done some great things and I have some very happy memories (owning the Bears for example) but it was definitely time to move on.

Mostly, yes. As I've said many many times, if Rodgers had continued on the same track, another MVP season or close to it last year, which he very very likely would have without the injury, then that contract - that I call a glorious contract - would have been acknowledged by everybody (well, maybe not a few dumbasses in here hahahaha) - as a stroke of genius and wonderfulness for keeping Rodgers in Green Bay for at least several more seasons that almost certainly would have been excellent, unless he got injured again. But no, last season turned to shit, and the idiots and imbeciles wanting Rodgers gone for their own stupid reasons got their way. And now, we all will suffer for who knows how long - probably. I say probably, because there is actually a slim slim thread of hope that Love is gonna be the "third coming", and everything will be all right. Generally, nobody is a bigger optimist in here than me, but I just can't get too optimistic in this case - hopeful, yes, but optimistic, no.

[sharpe1027]

That just illustrates the importance of a healthy Rodgers at QB. (this was response to sharpe's above.)

So it was Rodgers' fault we didn't make the playoffs? Bullshit. What a shithead.

[SudsMcBucky]

And as for the 10-6 Super Bowl year versus 15-1 and not, I'm about 50/50 on that. What comes to mind was the depressing series of games before the great run all the way to the SB - a lot of bad feeling, 6 to be exact, versus just two bad feeling days in the 15-1 season. All this "move on" talk in here ...... I'd argue that only having to move on 2 times in a season is better than needing to move on 6 times.

Oh, Tex. I mean I like most of your posting, but c'mon. You're really going to tell me your 50/50 on which season you'd prefer? That 1 loss in the 15 win season was WAY more painful than the 6 losses during the SB season. AND, the NFC title win and SB win were WAY more enjoyable than ANY of those cumulative 15 wins.

[run pMc]

That 2010 team was stealthy good too - they lost two back to back OT games (WAS and MIA) and graded out elite on more advanced metrics. Injuries and some bad luck derailed them mid-season, but then there was something of a regression (to where they should have been) or uptick in their fortunes. I doubt any NYG fan cares they were a WC team when they went 9-7 in 2011, what they remember is they beat up the 15-1 packers and went on to beat NE in the Super Bowl.

The Super Bowl is the goal for every team, winning regular season games is nice and is the path to the playoffs. I'd take 10-6 and a ring over 15-1 and an ugly 37-20 playoff loss to a 6 seed any year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2xUEy-vXtU

[Fritz]

There is already a story out there about how Rodgers is interrupting coaches at meetings, quizzing players on the field, and all that. The article both suggested that it could be really annoying - rude, actually, with the interrupting - and that it could be seen as how damn invested in the team he really is.

Fun! Shit-stirring!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

There is already a story out there about how Rodgers is interrupting coaches at meetings, quizzing players on the field, and all that. The article both suggested that it could be really annoying - rude, actually, with the interrupting - and that it could be seen as how damn invested in the team he really is.

Fun! Shit-stirring!

Success tends to drown people in self-entitlement. And self-entitlement, in turn, makes people cocky/arrogant. Butte ain’t an exception.

Ask Tony ODay what he does for a living and how much he makes annually…(See Musings of a Polar Bear thread in FYI for more.)

[run pMc]

There is already a story out there about how Rodgers is interrupting coaches at meetings, quizzing players on the field, and all that. The article both suggested that it could be really annoying - rude, actually, with the interrupting - and that it could be seen as how damn invested in the team he really is.

Fun! Shit-stirring!

You mean this article?

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/92029/aaron-rodgers-takes-control-of-jets-offense-which-means-pop-quizzes

Some interesting comments and a few little digs in there from Rodgers. What I'm most curious about is why Rodgers thinks motion would make it harder to read a defense?
There must be a reason I'm forgetting, because I'd think motion would help reveal the coverage and help the offense dictate to the defense.

[MadScientist]

You mean this article?

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/92029/aaron-rodgers-takes-control-of-jets-offense-which-means-pop-quizzes

Some interesting comments and a few little digs in there from Rodgers. What I'm most curious about is why Rodgers thinks motion would make it harder to read a defense?
There must be a reason I'm forgetting, because I'd think motion would help reveal the coverage and help the offense dictate to the defense.

So the guy who added audibles and 5287 Hans signals to MLF's offense complained that the offense needed to be simplified?