WIDE UNFILTERED.....some interesting info during a boring offseason

[SudsMcBucky]

I wouldn't even put Montana ahead of Steve Young.

Oh, boy.

[Fritz]

I think Steve Young was a very underrated QB. He could throw and run and he was smart. Really great player. Better than Montana? I don't know.

[NewsBruin]

I think Steve Young was a very underrated QB. He could throw and run and he was smart. Really great player. Better than Montana? I don't know.

I thought he was highly enough rated once he got out of Tampa Bay. I'd put him ahead of Montana for his size, athleticism and arm.

[sharpe1027]

My heart says Montana. The stats say Young. I don't know who to believe!

[MadScientist]

My heart says Montana. The stats say Young. I don't know who to believe!

Looking at the stats, nothing about Young was head and shoulders above Montana. Young ran more, but also took sacks at a much higher rate. Montana had a much longer career and leads 4-1 in SB wins. In total, I'd say Montana, but it's not big either way.

[sharpe1027]

Looking at the stats, nothing about Young was head and shoulders above Montana. Young ran more, but also took sacks at a much higher rate. Montana had a much longer career and leads 4-1 in SB wins. In total, I'd say Montana, but it's not big either way.

Montana played longer, but was also injured more often, statistically speaking. Young had a better career according to QB metrics by a meaningful amount and ran much better.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...an-joe-montana

From 1991 to 1998, Young's average passer rating was 100.9. In fact, from 1991 to 1998, every other quarterback in the NFL combined to top a 100 passer rating just four times—three of them were in 1998.

[run pMc]

Montana also played when the defense could do bad things to QBs and receivers. OK, compared to now Young did too, but go back and watch some of the hits Montana and other QBs took.
Also, consider how bad SF when Montana and Walsh first got there.

In short, the NFL hadn't become the passing league it is now, and Young had a pretty good roster when he took over for Montana.

Young was great too - he's in the HOF for a reason - but I think it's Montana over Young.

[sharpe1027]

I think Young had better stats relative to other QBs playing at the same time than Montana relative to QBs playing at the same time has him.

[texaspackerbacker]

No comments in here about Rodgers reworking his Jets contract to help the team and stating (as I always thought) that he intends to play multiple more years?

My expectation is that Rodgers will play MVP level or near it, but that the Jets will founder anyway - not much if any above mediocrity.

[MadScientist]

No comments in here about Rodgers reworking his Jets contract to help the team and stating (as I always thought) that he intends to play multiple more years?

Correct, not comments. We don't care about him anymore, unless it impacts the draft pick we get for him next year.

[NewsBruin]

No comments in here about Rodgers reworking his Jets contract to help the team and stating (as I always thought) that he intends to play multiple more years?

My expectation is that Rodgers will play MVP level or near it, but that the Jets will founder anyway - not much if any above mediocrity.

It hurts my brain, but yeah, it looks like two years of fully guaranteed roster bonuses (and a little salary to stay honest) that get spread out over five years, but could drop on the salary cap like an anvil on years three (2025 season), four, or five -- whenever Rodgers decides to stop playing. The $37.5m salary in 2025 is more or less a placeholder, because if he wants to play QB another season, they'll rework it and extend him longer.

As someone who's never cared much about the AFC, my question has always been: when are the Jets going to play up to the sum of their parts? I've read a lot of articles that this year's team has a lot of talent in the offensive skill positions and pass rush, but every year, the coaching staff can't turn talent into wins. Plus they've always had one or two Super Bowl favorites in their division gatekeep them from the postseason. That's going to be the case this year with the Bills' coaching and the Dolphins' speed. Aaron's going to have to get some uphill division wins to get in the playoffs.

[run pMc]

They had to rework his contract as part of the trade.

This tells me he might play more than one year. If he is going to stick around, they had to do something otherwise his cap number was going to be over 107.5 million.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2023/07/26/new-york-jets-aaron-rodgers-takes-pay-cut-agrees-to-new-contract/70472920007/

[call_me_ishmael]

Tex - The Jets were a very good team with a league worst QB last year who roughed up a Packers team badly.

This year they added your self proclaimed GOAT, and you think they're going to be mediocre? Which is it, Rodgers makes a team great or what?

[sharpe1027]

Tex - The Jets were a very good team with a league worst QB last year who roughed up a Packers team badly.

This year they added your self proclaimed GOAT, and you think they're going to be mediocre? Which is it, Rodgers makes a team great or what?

The only thing that's guaranteed in the coming response is it won't be Rodgers's fault.

[jklowan]

I'm wondering if the JETS are making cap space for Bak, would Roders take a discount to bring on his buddy? thoughts 35 mill would more than cover the salary