WIDE UNFILTERED.....some interesting info during a boring offseason

[jklowan]

I mean their O line is the only question mark, might work for both parties the extra 1st from Rodgers and a 2nd as well would be sweet.

[MadScientist]

Payton diss Hackett:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...t/70470187007/

What happened last year with Wilson?

“Oh, man,” Payton began. “There’s so much dirt around that. There’s 20 dirty hands, for what was allowed, tolerated in the fricking training rooms, the meeting rooms. The offense. I don’t know Hackett. A lot of people had dirt on their hands. It wasn’t just Russell. He didn’t just flip. He still has it. This B.S. that he hit a wall? Shoot, they couldn’t get a play in. They were 29th in the league in pre-snap penalties on both sides of the ball.”

Should add some spice to the Jets-Broncos week 5 matchup.

[run pMc]

Yeah, Payton was pretty candid about the coaches last year. Made it sound like they didn't know their ass from their elbow.
Payton obviously isn't going to be hiring anyone from that coaching staff, or asking them to hire him in the future.

Truth is, anyone could see that Hackett was in over his head, that's why he got canned so fast. It's not like Payton is saying much that isn't news.

The most interesting thing is he's backing his QB and throwing the previous coaching staff under the bus, we'll see if that changes should Russ start the season slowly. I suppose he doesn't have much choice for now, but it will be interesting to see if Russ is washed or not. Payton is a good coach but he had some mediocre years with Brees and the Saints too.

[run pMc]

Tex - The Jets were a very good team with a league worst QB last year who roughed up a Packers team badly.

This year they added your self proclaimed GOAT, and you think they're going to be mediocre? Which is it, Rodgers makes a team great or what?

Ridiculous. Rodgers even at age 40 is better than Zach Wilson or anyone else they have at QB this year or last year. They are an upgrade at the most important position, so in theory they should be better.
They won't be sneaking up on anybody, they have a tough division, and expectations are high. They might be drinking their own kool aid, they might get hit by injuries, lots of things can happen.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to win more than 7 games, but anyone who expects them to be the top seed is very optimistic. Good defense, have some playmakers on offense, but their OL has issues and they're still the Jets.
I could very easily see some team blitz the hell out of Rodgers and put him out 4-6 weeks with a broken ayahuasca and a concussion...he's not great against the blitz anymore and at 40 is much more brittle. That aside, I'd put them down for 9-10 wins and in the hunt for a WC spot. More than that is tough to imagine with 6 games against the Bills, Dolphins and Belichicks, plus games against the Eagles, Chiefs and Chargers. Their ceiling is 12 wins IMO. The AFC is tough.

[Fritz]

All I care is that Rodgers plays at least 65% of the offensive snaps, and that the Jets suck hard this year so the Packers can get a better pick next year.

[bobblehead]

The only thing that's guaranteed in the coming response is it won't be Rodgers's fault.

The jets suck this year, and the ONLY thing we have ruled out is it being Rodgers fault. Where have I been hearing that logic the last couple years?

[bobblehead]

Payton diss Hackett:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...t/70470187007/


Should add some spice to the Jets-Broncos week 5 matchup.

I mean....I've said since before we hired him that Hackett was a Hack. The guy has ridden daddy's coattails to a solid career of getting paid for bad results.

[run pMc]

I mean....I've said since before we hired him that Hackett was a Hack. The guy has ridden daddy's coattails to a solid career of getting paid for bad results.

I think with a lot of coaching hires it's about trust and familiarity over competence. Joe Barry is example A. Nepotism runs wild in the NFL. Pressure is on coaches, so they hire people they know.
Hackett does have his daddy to thank for getting far -- he's not the only one -- but I think OC is his absolute ceiling. He wasn't even calling plays under MLF, and Denver made him a HC. When they hired him, I was a little surprised tbh... I didn't think Hackett was a great hire bc he hadn't really shown much. I thought Stenavich might be a better coach, although OC might be a stretch for him too. Odd to me that guys like Eric Bienemy don't get a HC gig after working under Reid for years but Hackett does.

[Fritz]

Rodgers is sucking up his old buddies to the Jest like a Hoover. I am truly surprised that Lewis has not signed with them, and I won't be surprised if Bakh is dealt there - maybe just up the Rodgers pick to a first with no conditions, then send their second rounder to GB for Bakh. If you can change the conditions on Trade A as part of Trade B. Not sure what the rules are there.

[run pMc]

I'd hold out for as much as possible for a pick, especially if it were to the Jets. If he's healthy, Bahktiari is a very good tackle. He's probably healthy for 12 games though. The Jets have Duane flipping Brown at OT, that dude is 39.

Because so much of Bahtiari's contract has been redone and kicked down the road, if traded next offseason he'd cost his new team something like $11M. For a high end LT that's a bargain.

[bobblehead]

Rodgers is sucking up his old buddies to the Jest like a Hoover. I am truly surprised that Lewis has not signed with them, and I won't be surprised if Bakh is dealt there - maybe just up the Rodgers pick to a first with no conditions, then send their second rounder to GB for Bakh. If you can change the conditions on Trade A as part of Trade B. Not sure what the rules are there.

I actually expected that trade to have happened already to be honest. With exactly those conditions. And yes, they can agree to solidify a pick in a previous trade as a condition for an ensuing one.

[call_me_ishmael]

I think it's very clear Rodgers redid his contract to land an OL either now-ish or at the trade deadline. I wouldn't think the Packers would be foolish enough to give away a 32 year old left tackle when I think he could easily play 3-5 more years at a high level, but maybe they will if they're rebuilding. Y'all know my view - if you're gonna suck, go full suck, not half suck, get BJ Raji and CM3 and win a super bowl. You don't get those dudes without going full suck.

[Fritz]

I think it's very clear Rodgers redid his contract to land an OL either now-ish or at the trade deadline. I wouldn't think the Packers would be foolish enough to give away a 32 year old left tackle when I think he could easily play 3-5 more years at a high level, but maybe they will if they're rebuilding. Y'all know my view - if you're gonna suck, go full suck, not half suck, get BJ Raji and CM3 and win a super bowl. You don't get those dudes without going full suck.

Saw an interesting article this morning in which Rodgers said part of the reason he wanted to restructure his contract is because he'd like to see the Jest active at the trade deadline.

However, if the team wants to trade for, say, Davante Adams or David Bakhtieri, and if any trade would require a first- or second-round pick, the Jest will have to come back to Guter and rework the trade conditions to free up such a pick. That could mean the Jest throwin in another fourth rounder or so, according to the article, if it's the first-rounder the Jest want to use.

Interesting.

I also am now wondering if either Rasheed Walker or Caleb Jones is showing enough to the team to give them the confidence that one of them can step in as a backup tackle if Bakh is traded and either Nijman or Tom gets, well, you know.