How Will J-Love's Career Play Out?

[bobblehead]

Anybody think Love follows Favre and Rodgers as a first ballot HOF'er ? Or even a Hall of Famer ?

I think we have a solid QB for the future. Good enough to win a title, after all Sam Darnold did. But not elite like our last two QB's.

Three years from now it will be interesting to see if he's he's the best QB in our division

If he continues to play with a superior play caller and they surround him with talent I think he is borderline HoF. If we keep putting a shit OL on the field he will continue to miss games.

[Fritz]

I think this is the year LeFleur needs to find out exactly how good Love really is. I am a proponent of the running game; don't get me wrong, but this insistence on forcing the run and playing at such a plodding pace (and we thought it was because of Rodgers!) has not helped this team. It's time to implement some up-tempo and urgency and give Love more opportunities. Maybe go back to Holmgren's approach - the "run game" also incorporates four or five-yard passes to running backs. If, you know, the Marshmallow can stay on the field.

[pbmax]

Anybody think Love follows Favre and Rodgers as a first ballot HOF'er ? Or even a Hall of Famer ?

I think we have a solid QB for the future. Good enough to win a title, after all Sam Darnold did. But not elite like our last two QB's.

Three years from now it will be interesting to see if he's he's the best QB in our division

The team around him is not as good as the previous 3 Super Bowl teams. It might be worse than Rodgers first team with LaFleur up to this point.

But Love also has not ascended yet. I suspect its not just the coaching and playing but this story is still being written. More like Favre than like Rodgers, a little less hero ball on improvised plays might make all the difference.

[texaspackerbacker]

Anybody think Love follows Favre and Rodgers as a first ballot HOF'er ? Or even a Hall of Famer ?

I think we have a solid QB for the future. Good enough to win a title, after all Sam Darnold did. But not elite like our last two QB's.

Three years from now it will be interesting to see if he's he's the best QB in our division

I absolutely think so. Of course it's way too soon, but long term excellence both of the individual and the team are the primary HOF factors, and being a Packer puts Love a leg up on anybody from a less great team.

[Bretsky]

Anybody think Love follows Favre and Rodgers as a first ballot HOF'er ? Or even a Hall of Famer ?

I think we have a solid QB for the future. Good enough to win a title, after all Sam Darnold did. But not elite like our last two QB's.

Three years from now it will be interesting to see if he's he's the best QB in our division

[pbmax]

Is it possible that we are so effective passing BECAUSE we run enough to keep the defense honest? A better balance is fine and with Love being mostly a finished product now I think we will see the training wheels come off more this year.

There is no doubt it helps, but if you can be that efficient in passing while the run game struggles, then its time to tilt into the passing a bit more.

[texaspackerbacker]

Its almost like he learned from Rodgers or something. However sometimes if a quick hit can get you the first down I definitely like the get rid of it quick approach. But punishing a defense with the occasional big play can discourage 3rd and moderate distance blitzes.

bobblehead, you may not have the balls to read my posts, but it's downright ironic that you post the same thing I just said, specifically that Love emulates the best quality of Rodgers - avoiding interceptions.

[pbmax]

Its almost like he learned from Rodgers or something. However sometimes if a quick hit can get you the first down I definitely like the get rid of it quick approach. But punishing a defense with the occasional big play can discourage 3rd and moderate distance blitzes.

Yep. I think given the numbers it would be wise to slide down a bit for more first downs and a few less bombs. But don't abandon the shot play.

[bobblehead]

I read Schatz's response wrong and now it makes more sense. Low completion percentage against the blitz but a HIGH aDOT (average depth of target) meaning he is targeting a deep shot against the blitz, which corresponds to the low completion percentage. So not so much a hole in his game as much as a chosen approach.

Its almost like he learned from Rodgers or something. However sometimes if a quick hit can get you the first down I definitely like the get rid of it quick approach. But punishing a defense with the occasional big play can discourage 3rd and moderate distance blitzes.

[bobblehead]

No one is suggesting they should stop running the ball. But when you are 4th in yards per passing attempt, and 25th in yards per rushing attempt, should you be 27th in pass attempts and 7th in rushing attempts?

Is it possible that we are so effective passing BECAUSE we run enough to keep the defense honest? A better balance is fine and with Love being mostly a finished product now I think we will see the training wheels come off more this year.

[bobblehead]

We should run the ball less on first down. Its practically OCD at this point.

I don't disagree, but a couple of the big plays Willis had against the Ravens were right at the start of the game when MiLF ran play action and the Ravens were 100% flat footed playing the run. He did the same thing as OC in Tennessee in the playoffs with Tannehill and looked the part of a genius. I just want a better OL so the OCD issue works a little better.

[pbmax]

First response from Aaron Schatz is that he had a very poor completion percentage under pressure.

Also a low aDOT, which I just looked up and is average depth of target. So he's getting fewer completions on shorter passes.

I read Schatz's response wrong and now it makes more sense. Low completion percentage against the blitz but a HIGH aDOT (average depth of target) meaning he is targeting a deep shot against the blitz, which corresponds to the low completion percentage. So not so much a hole in his game as much as a chosen approach.

[texaspackerbacker]

That' stat shit can be very misleading. If a QB is under pressure, you WANT him to throw the ball away most of the time which will result in a lower completion percentage. Rodgers was the GOAT in large part because he did t.that and avoided interceptions.

Love seems to have learned his lessons well in that regard.

[Joemailman]

First response from Aaron Schatz is that he had a very poor completion percentage under pressure.

Also a low aDOT, which I just looked up and is average depth of target. So he's getting fewer completions on shorter passes.

Based on different sources, Love was not good against pressure, great against the blitz, and great against man defense. PFF gave him a 92 grade against cover 0 and cover 1. So...when teams played zone while getting pressure without blitzing, Love struggled? NFL teams play zone about 70% of the time.

[Joemailman]

If we stop running the ball I don't think you will like the results.

No one is suggesting they should stop running the ball. But when you are 4th in yards per passing attempt, and 25th in yards per rushing attempt, should you be 27th in pass attempts and 7th in rushing attempts?