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  • Why all the "LOVE"?

    Lafleur just can't spread enough love on Love. expressed all his love on Love in the post game presser. I don't blame him, but I would also like to see a coach state the absolute facts about his QB's play in 2024. It wasn't near good enough for the Packers to actually contend for a championship.

    Yes, injuries, rise above them, the previous two QB1's played exceptionally well through injuries. The rest of the QBs in the league play through injuries. I am sure he is going to get his knee cleaned up in the off season, and Love never made excuses about his injuries impacting his play.

    Lack of a true #1 receiver, I see the frustration with Doubs not showing up to practices, having extremely weak neck muscles that he can't brace his head when fall to the ground. His neck is like a limp noodle as his head just slams to the ground each time he goes airborne. Also the biggest frustration and concern is Watson. He is one of the best deep threats in the league, but his constant leg injuries are probably going to cut his career short with Green Bay as his health has consistently hampered his ability to become that #1 receiver. Regardless the receiver room is talented not top heavy but with the two tight ends there are open receivers on just about every pass play, the concern for me is that Love is struggling with his reads and downfield vision.

    See I heard this the other week, really good QB's have their primary focus downfield, while their secondary focus is on the defenders trying to sack them. Think of your secondary focus as instinct, that timer in the back of your head. It's more feel than recognition. Love really struggles with dividing his attention between the pass rush and what is going on in the secondary, when he scrambles out of the pocket he lacks vision, gets target lock on the first green jersey he sees, and he truly lacks accuracy throwing on the run. Favre was better than Rodgers at plays that broke the pocket because of his weird 6th sense, and his gifts of improvisation, but Rodgers was also excellent because he seemed to keep his eyes downfield and could leverage defenders with his legs. Both Favre and Rodgers had the arm strength and the accuracy to make any throw on the run without having to properly set their feet. Packer fans were truly spoiled watching these two maneuver the pocket and make plays when things broke down. Not sure if this is something where Love can get exponentially better at.

    Love has an NFL average arm. I am talking strength and accuracy. His accuracy really struggles when he can't rely on rhythm throws. balls sail on him all the time. He needs his footwork to be spot on for him to constantly make completions. Again Packer fans have been spoiled, Favre and Rodgers had ridiculously strong arms and could make throws from any angle with their feet in any position, but Love isn't even in the same atmosphere as those guys.

    He let the interceptions bother him earlier in the year, and became tentative. His interceptions were bad, they weren't good throws or good decisions. A lot of the really bad ones to me were out of desperation and panic. It wasn't because he was trying to sling a fastball over the middle between two defenders. His interceptions were not aggressive mistakes, they were bad throws and bad decisions. Fine don't do that anymore, but you still have to be aggressive throwing the ball down field, you can't be tentative with those throws, slow lobs over the middle are bad for business, constant check downs are bad for business.

    Overall I didn't see a lot of confidence showing through in his play this year. I think he is talented but he doesn't hold a candle to the guys ahead of him, and that is alright, not many do. I am just not sure he has the overall ability to carry this team to a Super Bowl. There are going to have be a lot of pieces put around him. He isn't going any where with that contract, so the Packers need to insulate him as much as possible.

  • #2
    Awesome write up Nutz. It all rings true to me other than saying his arm is average. He has a strong arm. He is just not accurate. My worry is becoming that he has an average brain.

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    • #3
      Would we talk about accuracy if instead of his receivers having 33 drops this year they were more like the Rams and only had 15 ?

      That would raise his completion percentage from 63.1% to 67.3%

      Not arguing that Love doesn't need to be better. He does. His ball placement on deep throws is iffy. For example, the pick against the Eagles probably wouldn't happen if the throw was outside the receiver towards the sideline.

      Doubs, Reed and Wicks were near the top of the league in drops, both actual and as a percentage of attempted catches. How much of that plays into Love's being tentative with throws ?

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      • #4
        How many of those drops are because he's not throwing a catchable ball though? I bet at least some.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MadtownPacker View Post
          Awesome write up Nutz. It all rings true to me other than saying his arm is average. He has a strong arm. He is just not accurate. My worry is becoming that he has an average brain.
          Yup, would explain a lot of things.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MadtownPacker View Post
            Awesome write up Nutz. It all rings true to me other than saying his arm is average. He has a strong arm. He is just not accurate. My worry is becoming that he has an average brain.
            His arm is pretty average when he can't set his feet and step into the throw

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            • #7
              S’up, Nutz. Still listening to Coldplay and showing “Radio” to your players?

              This awesome Coldplay song fits in perfectly with this thread:

              We've been through low
              Been through sunshine, been through snow
              All the colors of the weather
              We've been through high
              Every corner of the sky
              And still we're holding on together


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
                His arm is pretty average when he can't set his feet and step into the throw
                So that has nothing to do with his arm and everything to do with his mechanics.

                The fact is that he has one of the 3 strongest arms in the NFL. It isn’t debatable.
                It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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                • #9
                  Dan Orlovsky thinks otherwise. Which means it is debatable.

                  Arm strength
                  1. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
                  2. Josh Allen, Bills
                  3. Justin Herbert, Chargers
                  4. Matthew Stafford, Rams
                  5. Aaron Rodgers, Jets
                  6. Will Levis, Titans
                  7. Baker Mayfield, Buccaneers
                  8. Anthony Richardson, Colts
                  9. Dak Prescott, Cowboys
                  10. Lamar Jackson, Ravens

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                  • #10
                    Supposedly that rocket of a TD pass to Kraft, vs. Saints?, was the fastest thrown ball in history.

                    Take that with a grain of salt.

                    I don't know if 'arm strength' is the core issue.

                    He's crazy accurate at times and then he's not. That inconsistency suggests weakness in preparation or a lack of focus/mental toughness.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
                      His arm is pretty average when he can't set his feet and step into the throw
                      Dude he can sling it. If anything he needs to ease up and have some touch at times. Sadly, I think it’s just that he sucks.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by George Cumby View Post
                        Supposedly that rocket of a TD pass to Kraft, vs. Saints?, was the fastest thrown ball in history.

                        Take that with a grain of salt.

                        I don't know if 'arm strength' is the core issue.

                        He's crazy accurate at times and then he's not. That inconsistency suggests weakness in preparation or a lack of focus/mental toughness.
                        He has been so bad this season I can’t even remember last season‘s accuracy. He definitely is acting like someone who got the big payola and didn’t work harder.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sparkey View Post
                          Dan Orlovsky thinks otherwise. Which means it is debatable.

                          Arm strength
                          1. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
                          2. Josh Allen, Bills
                          3. Justin Herbert, Chargers
                          4. Matthew Stafford, Rams
                          5. Aaron Rodgers, Jets
                          6. Will Levis, Titans
                          7. Baker Mayfield, Buccaneers
                          8. Anthony Richardson, Colts
                          9. Dak Prescott, Cowboys
                          10. Lamar Jackson, Ravens
                          When has Dan Orlovsky ever been right about something? I’m also not taking QB arm strength rankings from a noodle arm like him. It takes one to know one.
                          It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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                          • #14
                            I also think that his brain or at least mindset is the primary problem. Unlike Rodgers, Love throws it into a crowd way too often anytime other than maybe a hail mary is too often. Combine that mindset with at least occasional lack of accuracy, and it's a problem. You could say he was lucky not to have more interceptions than he did.

                            The Packers beat up on the weaker teams and lost to most of the near peer teams. Love's quality of play paralleled that. If teams can win with mediocrity like Cousins, Mayfield, etc., then the Packers can certainly win with Love, but he's gonna have a tough time if he needs to carry the team, as he generally had to against the better teams.
                            What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MadtownPacker View Post
                              He has been so bad this season I can’t even remember last season‘s accuracy. He definitely is acting like someone who got the big payola and didn’t work harder.
                              Actually the boy was off the chain in the second half of the season last year. I posted about this, called the post, A tale of two seasons. Which is what he had. He was solid after the Steeler game last year and showed a ton resolve in doing so.

                              This year? Whew boy!. So so performer for the reasons detailed by the posters. Much of his problems boiled down to big time accuracy issues. Our previous franchise QB's always bounced back from injuries. The gunslinger and ARod always showed their resolve and dedication to play hurt. With Love so far injuries not only bother him, they seem to linger longer than you'd think they should.

                              By the way, great to see the Deputy posting. Always welcome your expertise, Nutroll.

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