Why all the "LOVE"?

[MadtownPacker]

I think that contract is cause for so much of the pessimism. Stuck with him and now it is looking like your little boyfriend was right about Love after all.

[Deputy Nutz]

He is a always right

[MadtownPacker]

He is a always right

Calm down he isn’t your wife. At least not outside of prison. But sadly yes everything he said about Love as a QB has played out this season.

[RandsRevenge]

If you add up Love getting hurt multiple times, same for Watson, Musgrave, Doubs throwing temper tantrum, etc. that's enough to maybe expect a lack of progress in the passing game. Still, the numbers aren't terrible; you just didn't have a cohesive move forward. And you lost your best lineman right at the moment you needed him most. I know I'll get the excuse-making label, but I really don't care. This stuff happens and there's no magic to fix it. Favre couldn't turn Andrae Thurman into a starting WR, and Love can't do the same for Heath. Even in his top years, Favre needed a Wolf to field a #1 defense and his GM to go and get a WR during the season to overcome injuries and win a championship. Gute knows now that he needs to do the same.

[George Cumby]

I'm not convinced all of the injuries didn't take a toll on Love.

Hopefully he can get a little bigger and stronger over the off-season and return to his second half of '23 form.

[sharpe1027]

Calm down he isn’t your wife. At least not outside of prison. But sadly yes everything he said about Love as a QB has played out this season.

Clifford is much better than Love?

[MadtownPacker]

Clifford is much better than Love?

I said what he said about Love meaning how he would regress. What’s Clifford gotta do wit it, do wit it?

[run pMc]

Improve the accuracy of the QB via fundamentals
Improve the ability of the WRs to beat man coverage
Improve the hands of the WRs by chaining them to the Juggs machine

Drops hurt this team, not just the number but WHEN they happened (drops on 3rd/4th down, in the end zone, etc.)

Their issues are fixable, smart teams don't give up on guys like this after 2 seasons. Soph slumps are real and more common than you think.

[beveaux1]

Packer fans are spoiled by having two HOF QBs for 30 years. Those are QBs that elevate a team. With them, you could make the playoffs nearly every year with a below average defense, or a below average running game, or even with below average receivers. They elevate a team and make up for a team weakness. Prescott, Carr, Hurts, Goff, Darnold, and also Love at this point in his career, are above average to good QBs that really don’t elevate their teams.

This year’s Packer team had a pretty good defense, a very good running game, good pass blocking, and a below average WR group. It really might have been the most talented team we’ve had since the 2010 team. Not quite as talented, but almost as talented. Love is a good, but not very good QB like Rodgers was, and Love doesn’t elevate the team.

We’re upset with Love because of the contract, but his cap number doesn’t become onerous for a couple of years. I think we have to understand that with a good, not great QB, the [B]team[B]has to be championship caliber. Maybe something like the Eagles with very good receivers, top notch OL, best RB, and a championship defense. They can win with a good, not great QB. But they can also lose if they face a team with a QB that can elevate their team like the Chiefs, Bills, or Ravens. Even if that team is not as good as the Eagles.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think accuracy is primarily a matter of innate ability. Love has great arm strength and near great mobility. His accuracy is good, but probably not quite elite. I have doubts whether mere coaching and work on fundamentals can do much to improve that.

What is needed is a change in Love's MINDSET. He had a few years to observe Rodgers avoiding interceptions, and the key to his own greatness is to get to that same level of NOT throwing into coverage and ending up with picks. the numbers Love had in that area could easily have been way worse than they were if some of those near miss interceptions were actually picked off.

[Fritz]

I think accuracy is primarily a matter of innate ability. Love has great arm strength and near great mobility. His accuracy is good, but probably not quite elite. I have doubts whether mere coaching and work on fundamentals can do much to improve that.

What is needed is a change in Love's MINDSET. He had a few years to observe Rodgers avoiding interceptions, and the key to his own greatness is to get to that same level of NOT throwing into coverage and ending up with picks. the numbers Love had in that area could easily have been way worse than they were if some of those near miss interceptions were actually picked off.

From everything I've read, footwork has a great deal to do with accuracy. And there are two parts to Rodgers's game that I am concerned that Love picked up on: first, the throwing-off-the-back-foot stuff. When Love is not set, he throws some inaccurate passes - he can throw on the run, but just throwing off the back foot while in the pocket - ugh.

The second aspect of Rodgers's game that I'm afraid Love picked up on perhaps is Rodgers's unwillingness to run later in his career. It's such a big part of a QB's arsenal these days. And you don't have to be a running QB, per se. You just gotta take it when it's there. Love seems to pass on wide-open fields stretching ahead of him - what appear to be opportunities to pick up ten or fifteen yards - so he can make a questionable throws that don't look promising and don't look like they'll pick up more than the ten or so yards he could safely get by taking off and running. Mahomes does it when it's called for - picks up that first down if he's got open field ahead. Other QB's do it and don't get hurt. Love seems unwilling to do so.

[sharpe1027]

I said what he said about Love meaning how he would regress. What’s Clifford gotta do wit it, do wit it?

Wasn't that the main argument? Are we talking about skinbasket?

[run pMc]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/1/19/24347443/green-bay-packers-news-jordan-love-aaron-rodgers-statistical-comparison

I agree with Nuts. The talent is there, GB has pretty good coaches too. They are young and it takes some players time. They aren't going to improve on a straight curve, there will be bumps.
MLF was too emotional this year on the sidelines IMO, I wonder if he was getting too many opinions from Saleh, Getsy, Steno, Mr. Analytics, etc. in his ear and decided "fuck it, I'm going with my gut" and he'd make a stupid challenge on where the ball spot.

Gute has apparently got over he R3 curse but it seems like he now has a R1 curse. I get it. It's early to give up on Morgan or LVN. He's usually taking swings on high end athletes because he's often drafting in the 20's and if he hits on one it could be a difference maker. Like it or not, that's his MO. That aside, he's been pretty good on his picks, especially his recent ones: 2023 was a huge draft for the team in terms of a retool/rebuild. 2024 draft got them a few starters too, so it's looking promising. Getting to the playoffs immediately after dumping your aging franchise QB (and his contract) is basically a masterstroke. Hitting on both McKinney and Jacobs was huge for this team this year. Going forward, they have Bahk and A-A-Ron off the books and their next QB locked up. And by the way, that QB is still young and learning. Like the receivers, he'll develop and get better. Maybe the DAl playoff game is his ceiling, but it's a pretty good one and I think he can reach it again. There are probably a half dozen teams in the league who would take Love as their QB in a heartbeat (LV, CLE, TEN, NYG, CAR off the top of my head) and -- like it or not - the contract is the going price for a top 12 QB, which he is.

And no, Clifford is not the answer. That ship sailed in the offseason with his Interception-fest. Willis - another amazing Gute pickup that saved the season - couldn't do what Love does for a full season. Love is the QB now and going forward.

[Teamcheez1]

Rodgers ran for 107 yards this past season.
Love ran for 87 yards.
Williams 489 yards.
Darnold 212 yards.
Goff 56 yards.

[run pMc]

Rodgers ran for 107 yards this past season.
Love ran for 87 yards.
Williams 489 yards.
Darnold 212 yards.
Goff 56 yards.

Will Levis ran for about 180 yards; please explain how rushing yards applies. Are you saying there's a connection between rushing yards and being a good QB? Mobility is nice, but Brady did fine with poise, pocket presence, subtle moves, and quick decision making.