More Banjo - Packers at Browns

[texaspackerbacker]

"I'm also extremely disappointed in Elgton Jenkins - he doesn't seem to be an upgrade over Josh Myers, at least not in the run game." - Ya think? When did Meyers at Center and Jenkins at Guard ever allow a horrendous pass rush up the middle where it can do the most harm like we saw in this game?

[Joemailman]

In the short term at least, Tex is right. The Packers would probably be better off with Myers at C and Jenkins at LG than they've been with Jenkins at C and Banks/Morgan at LG. But it's early. Things will probably get better if they can get some continuity on the OL.

[run pMc]

yeah, I don't think Myers is even starting. Hard to believe a backup for an 0-3 team would be an upgrade.
I still think a healthy Jenkins/Banks duo is better than a healthy Myers/Jenkins duo.

14 penalties - 10 in the 4th quarter. TEN! That is insane. This was one of those burn the tape games where nothing was going right. They absolutely have to show up to play, and just play better.

[Joemailman]

yeah, I don't think Myers is even starting. Hard to believe a backup for an 0-3 team would be an upgrade.
I still think a healthy Jenkins/Banks duo is better than a healthy Myers/Jenkins duo.

14 penalties - 10 in the 4th quarter. TEN! That is insane. This was one of those burn the tape games where nothing was going right. They absolutely have to show up to play, and just play better.

Myers has taken every snap with the Jets. PFF has graded him pretty well. I don't think he's an upgrade over Jenkins. But LG has been a major problem so far with Jenkins at C.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't have much trust in PFF grades, but it's undeniable that running inside was our strength last season and it's been crap this season. Also, there was hardly any pressure on our QB up the middle last season, and there was a bunch of it so far this year.

Yeah, I don't think things in general will be bad long term - a LOT more games like the Lions and 'Skins games, and hopefully zero more like the debacle against Cleveland. I think that will NOT be because of the quality of this year's O Line, but in spite of it.

[QBME]

An old saw…
Old age and treachery will beat youth and skill most every time.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't know. I'm old and treacherous, and I get beat by my young skillful wife every time we play tennis.

[QBME]

I don't know. I'm old and treacherous, and I get beat by my young skillful wife every time we play tennis.

Tennis is awesome, stay off that gosh darn pickle bar clourt!

[Fritz]

I don't have much trust in PFF grades, but it's undeniable that running inside was our strength last season and it's been crap this season. Also, there was hardly any pressure on our QB up the middle last season, and there was a bunch of it so far this year.

Yeah, I don't think things in general will be bad long term - a LOT more games like the Lions and 'Skins games, and hopefully zero more like the debacle against Cleveland. I think that will NOT be because of the quality of this year's O Line, but in spite of it.

We've all hashed out the multiple issues of the Cleveland game - the poor offensive line play, Love's interception, the ST fiascoes (plural), The Flower's questionable decisions (running a play at the end of the third quarter, for example). But nobody has mentioned the single most important cause of the loss: George Cumby.

George said in the run up to the Browns game that he actually wouldn't mind a Packer loss. Hmph.

It's all George's fault.

[George Cumby]

We've all hashed out the multiple issues of the Cleveland game - the poor offensive line play, Love's interception, the ST fiascoes (plural), The Flower's questionable decisions (running a play at the end of the third quarter, for example). But nobody has mentioned the single most important cause of the loss: George Cumby.

George said in the run up to the Browns game that he actually wouldn't mind a Packer loss. Hmph.

It's all George's fault.

Mea Culpa.

But MLF's statements this week kind of underscored my angle on that:

https://lombardiave.com/matt-lafleur-sends-blunt-message-rasheed-walker-after-packers-humiliating-loss

If they were going to lose a game, better to an AFC team, and early in the season to get the wake-up call.

[Fritz]

Mea Culpa.

But MLF's statements this week kind of underscored my angle on that:

https://lombardiave.com/matt-lafleur-sends-blunt-message-rasheed-walker-after-packers-humiliating-loss

If they were going to lose a game, better to an AFC team, and early in the season to get the wake-up call.

Well, as long as they wake up . . .

Even so, wouldn't a shitty win still give the team a wake-up call AND a 3 -0 record? Or would they think they could win even when they play like shit?

[bobblehead]

yeah, I don't think Myers is even starting. Hard to believe a backup for an 0-3 team would be an upgrade.
I still think a healthy Jenkins/Banks duo is better than a healthy Myers/Jenkins duo.

14 penalties - 10 in the 4th quarter. TEN! That is insane. This was one of those burn the tape games where nothing was going right. They absolutely have to show up to play, and just play better.

There was a little bit of the old "lets keep this game close for the networks" in a few of those calls.

[MadtownPacker]

Well, as long as they wake up . . .

Even so, wouldn't a shitty win still give the team a wake-up call AND a 3 -0 record? Or would they think they could win even when they play like shit?

Arrogance may have contributed to the upset so winning may very well have added to it.

[MadtownPacker]

There was a little bit of the old "let’s keep this game close for the networks" in a few of those calls.

Solid teams don’t get beat by bad calls IMO. Getting called SB contenders and the hottest shit for 2 weeks sure could though.

[George Cumby]

Arrogance may have contributed to the upset so winning may very well have added to it.

I'm with Mad. The taste of bitter ashes in their mouth is what they need.