More Banjo - The Bears Still Suck

[sharpe1027]

This is heresy. Jones never fell backward on a tackle, made hash out of trash numerous times during the game and could break games open at the second level.

Jacobs super power is that absent his knee, he seems almost indestructible. Jones got beat up. Jones was also better at pass pro.

Jacobs, minus the pass pro, probably fits LaFleur's play calling now better. But he's not the better talent.

Also cold weather doesn't mean you need to run. Significant wind? You might need to run.

I agree Jones always fell forward, but Jacobs after contact is in a completely different league. I'm not convinced Jones is clearly the better talent. I have them very similar.

[George Cumby]

Maybe after this past Sunday this isn't true, but up until now...

Nobody game plans for Miles Bokeem Melton.

It's such a genius move. Taking a talented, lightning fast, third year wide receiver, turn him into a reserve cornerback, give him a Special Teams role, but keep him practicing with the Wide Receivers on occasion and keep giving him limited snaps on offense.

Then, during the game when your newly returned, extra speedy, tall, lanky, starting Wide Receiver needs a breather - you call on Bo Melton.

The opposing defense can't help but relax a little. They see the diminutive by comparison Bo Melton substitute in for Christian Watson, they must be thinking "Ok, they ain't throwing it this way".

We all saw the result. That 45 yard bomb to the end zone for a touchdown was a spectacular sight to behold and worked because of Bo Melton's sheer speed, combined with no defender thinking the ball was coming that way, that far, to a substitute receiver, who is a cornerback.

It was also the same play they called just one play earlier. In effect Watson possibly tired out the defensive backs just little bit on the previous play. This left the fresh speedster with the advantage and the Packers with a score.

Nobody game plans for Bo Melton.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dqy9JfNZwq8

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/47240344

Bo Knows Football.

[George Cumby]

I loved AJones, but if anyone recalls when we cut ties and brought in Jacobs I said we were getting a guy who eats, breaths and sleeps football. Kid is a beast.

I was stoked to get Jacobs, I didn't think Jones had the tread on the tires that he did.

Jones was more dynamic, but Jacobs more powerful almost as quick.

[bobblehead]

This is heresy. Jones never fell backward on a tackle, made hash out of trash numerous times during the game and could break games open at the second level.

Jacobs super power is that absent his knee, he seems almost indestructible. Jones got beat up. Jones was also better at pass pro.

Jacobs, minus the pass pro, probably fits LaFleur's play calling now better. But he's not the better talent.

Also cold weather doesn't mean you need to run. Significant wind? You might need to run.

I loved Jones. One of my all time faves. How often do you recall him punching it in from the 3? Not often. Half the time they took him out of the game. Outside the redzone Jones was everything Jacobs is and more.....inside the 20 not so much.

I'll even go so far as to say that without Jones stellar run to end his packer career Love doesn't get anywhere near his current contract. Read what I said. Not sure I even implied Jacobs was a better talent. Just that he is younger and more of a power runner.

[call_me_ishmael]

Jacobs isn't even close to the talent. He's a very different player and not a field tilter. But he's a pretty good player and seems to be doing okay. He seems available as well. I'm not entirely convinced the backup isn't better tbh.

[texaspackerbacker]

Seriously, CMI? Jacobs was a first round pick from arguably the best college team in the country after a great HS career. Jones was a fifth rounder and not nearly as highly regarded in HS. Both have virtually the same 40 time, with Jacobs about 20 pounds heavier. Jones was a great RB for the Packers but I'd argue that Jacobs does a helluva a lot more with less quality blocking - something really necessary for the Packers, given the quality of the Packers O Line or lack of it.

[sharpe1027]

Jacobs had more rushing yards last year than Jones had ever had in his career. That wasn't even his best year.

Is Jones more explosive and break more big runs? Yes, but those attributes alone are not how I measure talent.

When looking at Jacobs, consider strength, running style, and vision as part of talent. I value the ability to consistently get positive yardage between the tackles especially in the red zone.

To me, it's not as open an shut as some people are saying. I'd go with Jones, but not by a lot.

[bobblehead]

Jacobs isn't even close to the talent. He's a very different player and not a field tilter. But he's a pretty good player and seems to be doing okay. He seems available as well. I'm not entirely convinced the backup isn't better tbh.

That is an opinion. A very wrong one, but you are entitled to that.

Jones best 3 years averaged about 1100 yards rushing and about 53 catches (quick math, not exact but very close)
Jacobs best 3 years averaged about 1350 yards rushing and about 48 catches. Also quick math. TDs/year would be 10+ for Jacobs and 8 for Jones.

I'm not disparaging either player. Jones was electric, but limited in durability and physical impact. Jacobs is different. I wanted to keep both when we signed Jacobs. That could have been special.

edit: and don't even get me started on availability and fumbles (AI is great. Jones is like 80 carries per fumble and jacobs over 105).

[pbmax]

You need game breakers to win in the end. Otherwise its just grinding and hoping you stay healthier than the opposition.

Jacobs is great. I'd even say his ability to score a TD from 7-11 yards out might be a yards after contact superpower. But Jones will simply tilt the field position in your favor twice a game in his prime. He will literally absolve the rest of the team's errors and sins by putting you back into scoring position.

[texaspackerbacker]

True, to some extent anyway. You can definitely win without a great breakaway runner, but it's surer and a helluva lot more fun getting there if you do have that breakaway threat. Jacobs with Jones as a complement would be ideal, but that isn't gonna happen. What I am really looking forward to, though, is a healthy Marshawn Lloyd giving the Packers that speed dimension which we sorta lack. Of course, for Jones or Lloyd type runners to really thrive, though, you need a lot better blocking from the O Line than the Packers get.

[sharpe1027]

You need game breakers to win in the end. Otherwise its just grinding and hoping you stay healthier than the opposition.

Jacobs is great. I'd even say his ability to score a TD from 7-11 yards out might be a yards after contact superpower. But Jones will simply tilt the field position in your favor twice a game in his prime. He will literally absolve the rest of the team's errors and sins by putting you back into scoring position.

I don't agree that's as black and white. If it was, rosters would be full of speedster and have very few large slower backs. I think you're discounting the value of consistently getting positive yardage to either move the chains or create a 2nd or 3rd and short. I'm not sure there's a way to solve this. It's a matter of opinion. Agree to disagree?

[Patler]

This Jones vs. Jacobs debate just shows why Ahman Green was so special. He combined the best attributes of both.

[Fritz]

This Jones vs. Jacobs debate just shows why Ahman Green was so special. He combined the best attributes of both.

Best Packer running back I've ever seen, and that goes back to John Brockington.

And if I remember correctly, once he ditched the rubber arm sleeves, he stopped fumbling the ball as much as he had been, which was one glitch in his game.

I don't recall him catching many passes out of the backfield, but I don't think Sherman used him that way much. If I recall correctly. Which I might not.

I loved Aaron Jones - he could break a run wide open, and he didn't get pushed back. Loved the guy. I wanted the Pack to keep him.

However, the injury bug was real with him, and I think Jacobs has, down to down, a better record of getting steady yardage.

Both very very good backs.

[Jaire]

This is heresy. Jones never fell backward on a tackle, made hash out of trash numerous times during the game and could break games open at the second level.

Jacobs super power is that absent his knee, he seems almost indestructible. Jones got beat up. Jones was also better at pass pro.

Jacobs, minus the pass pro, probably fits LaFleur's play calling now better. But he's not the better talent.

Also cold weather doesn't mean you need to run. Significant wind? You might need to run.

Jacobs led the league last year in yards after contact. ....

I should be more specific: it's really about playoffs. Jacobs won't get shut out when it matters most, and he consistently gets it in the end zone. We have a plethora of weapons for chunk yardage.. I completely agree with you on the passblocking. Josh is pretty bad and Jones was amazing for his size especially. If we had an effective short yards, get a few yards runner, I would be with you on keeping Jones, but Dillard just didn't work out. That had been the plan. it still is as is evidenced by the Lloyd pick. And I would probably say they are equal talent wise, while they are very different backs.

[Joemailman]

Best Packer running back I've ever seen, and that goes back to John Brockington.

And if I remember correctly, once he ditched the rubber arm sleeves, he stopped fumbling the ball as much as he had been, which was one glitch in his game.

I don't recall him catching many passes out of the backfield, but I don't think Sherman used him that way much. If I recall correctly. Which I might not.

I loved Aaron Jones - he could break a run wide open, and he didn't get pushed back. Loved the guy. I wanted the Pack to keep him.

However, the injury bug was real with him, and I think Jacobs has, down to down, a better record of getting steady yardage.

Both very very good backs.

In his prime, Green caught quite a few passes. https://www.pro-football-reference.c...G/GreeAh00.htm Packers were a great screen team then.