More Banjo - Packers at Denver

[Teamcheez1]

Gee Whiz Tex, Bahk was All Pro 5 times. Twice first team 3 times 2nd team.

So I guess he could fool everybody, eh?

He was great, but I was opposed to making him the highest paid lineman with the 4 yr extension.
I thought it was a bad move.

[Patler]

He was great, but I was opposed to making him the highest paid lineman with the 4 yr extension.
I thought it was a bad move.

Agreed. I posted a while back that I think the current regime overpays quite often. Bakhtiari, Alexander, Jenkins, Clark, Banks, etc. All received contracts that were a bit surprising to me.

[pbmax]

Seems like it. Performance in games doesn't lie. Popularity contests like you mentioned maybe does.

Pro Bowl is a comparative popularity contest. All Pro is a very far more serious award. His pass pro was spectacular and that was why he got those votes.

[Fritz]

Agreed. I posted a while back that I think the current regime overpays quite often. Bakhtiari, Alexander, Jenkins, Clark, Banks, etc. All received contracts that were a bit surprising to me.

Ted Thompson rolling over and over in his grave. Guter's been the GM for seven years now. Thompson got the team to a SB in his sixth year. Sadly, his only one, though the 2011 and 2013 teams were both pretty good, and either could've gotten to the SB based on talent alone. Not sure how this is going to play out with Gutekunst. He's piling up the cap debt, and the window will close rapidly. Two more years, maybe, then come-to-Jesus?

[texaspackerbacker]

Seems like the usual suspects can't stop fawning over the old sacred cow hahahaha.

The reason Bakhtiari and the O Line back then in general had good stats was Rodgers' mobility and release. The fact is, Rodgers was pressured virtually every pass play, often from the left - Bakhtiari's side. Brady and a helluva lot of other QBs got way better pass pro than the Packers ever had. The GOAT made the sacred cow seem great - to some people anyway.

[sharpe1027]

He was great, but I was opposed to making him the highest paid lineman with the 4 yr extension.
I thought it was a bad move.

Yeah, I tend to agree.

Saying he was a sacred cow is just classic demeaning of other's intelligence and pretending like we can't have any nuance like this in our assessments.

[Fritz]

Nuance? Why would we want that? Here, in case you've forgotten, are the golden rules of Packerrats.

1. Packers lose, then someone needs to be fired. Maybe it's LeFleur, maybe it's Guter, maybe it's the special teams coach, maybe it's the trainer, but someone needs to be fired.

2. Packers win, then they're probably going to the Super Bowl. Or at least trending that way. For sure.

3. My assessment of every Packer player is spot on, because no one cares enough to go back and look up what I actually wrote. E.G., when the Packers drafted Rashan Gary, I hated the pick. Hated it. Then in his second year he started improving, and I loved the pick and thought he was a real emerging force. This year, I will remind everyone that I hated the Rashan Gary pick, so clearly I was right.

4. Posters I don't care for are always wrong, no matter what opinion they offer. If they agree with me, I ignore them.

Those are the golden rules that I know of. Might be missing a couple.

[CaptainKickass]

Nuance? Why would we want that? Here, in case you've forgotten, are the golden rules of Packerrats.

1. Packers lose, then someone needs to be fired. Maybe it's LeFleur, maybe it's Guter, maybe it's the special teams coach, maybe it's the trainer, but someone needs to be fired.

2. Packers win, then they're probably going to the Super Bowl. Or at least trending that way. For sure.

3. My assessment of every Packer player is spot on, because no one cares enough to go back and look up what I actually wrote. E.G., when the Packers drafted Rashan Gary, I hated the pick. Hated it. Then in his second year he started improving, and I loved the pick and thought he was a real emerging force. This year, I will remind everyone that I hated the Rashan Gary pick, so clearly I was right.

4. Posters I don't care for are always wrong, no matter what opinion they offer. If they agree with me, I ignore them.

Those are the golden rules that I know of. Might be missing a couple.

5. When starting the Official Game Day Thread be sure to actually start it on gameday and put the word "official" in the title the same as any other "official" thread.




I'm Captain Kickass - and I approve this message.

[Patler]

Nuance? Why would we want that? Here, in case you've forgotten, are the golden rules of Packerrats.

1. Packers lose, then someone needs to be fired. Maybe it's LeFleur, maybe it's Guter, maybe it's the special teams coach, maybe it's the trainer, but someone needs to be fired.

2. Packers win, then they're probably going to the Super Bowl. Or at least trending that way. For sure.

3. My assessment of every Packer player is spot on, because no one cares enough to go back and look up what I actually wrote. E.G., when the Packers drafted Rashan Gary, I hated the pick. Hated it. Then in his second year he started improving, and I loved the pick and thought he was a real emerging force. This year, I will remind everyone that I hated the Rashan Gary pick, so clearly I was right.

4. Posters I don't care for are always wrong, no matter what opinion they offer. If they agree with me, I ignore them.

Those are the golden rules that I know of. Might be missing a couple.

6. Name calling, be it of coaches, players or other posters only makes your argument stronger and more convincing.

[bobblehead]

Pro Bowl is a comparative popularity contest. All Pro is a very far more serious award. His pass pro was spectacular and that was why he got those votes.

He was over rated because he held about 60% of the time. He got away with it so he wasn't over rated in results. Reputation matters. The NFL decided he was good so they stopped calling holding on him. They decided Micah is too fast for a fair fight so you get to hold him.

[pbmax]

He was over rated because he held about 60% of the time. He got away with it so he wasn't over rated in results. Reputation matters. The NFL decided he was good so they stopped calling holding on him. They decided Micah is too fast for a fair fight so you get to hold him.

So he had a great technique which was legal. How does this diminish him?

[bobblehead]

So he had a great technique which was legal. How does this diminish him?

It wasn't legal, it just wasn't called. When defenders got inside Baks reach he would bear hug them to not allow lateral movement. He didn't "hold" the shoulder pads or the jersey. He wrapped them up. Then quickly disengage to a more legal position. He did it over and over and after his first season he learned to disengage quicker so the officials just stopped calling it. Its still a hold by the rules. Just like in the NBA if a guy gets a step on you and you use a strong hand to apply pressure to slow his speed and allow you to regain position its a foul....unless you are Michael Jordan in which case it was allowed. For whatever reason the NFL allowed Bak to do it, but I've seen a lot of lesser "stars" get called instantly for doing it. I'm glad he got away with it as a packer fan, but I'm also no blind.

I exaggerate that it was 60%. It was more like 10% but that's enough to discourage speed rushers from trying to get the edge on him.

[pbmax]

It wasn't legal, it just wasn't called. When defenders got inside Baks reach he would bear hug them to not allow lateral movement. He didn't "hold" the shoulder pads or the jersey. He wrapped them up. Then quickly disengage to a more legal position. He did it over and over and after his first season he learned to disengage quicker so the officials just stopped calling it. Its still a hold by the rules. Just like in the NBA if a guy gets a step on you and you use a strong hand to apply pressure to slow his speed and allow you to regain position its a foul....unless you are Michael Jordan in which case it was allowed. For whatever reason the NFL allowed Bak to do it, but I've seen a lot of lesser "stars" get called instantly for doing it. I'm glad he got away with it as a packer fan, but I'm also no blind.

I exaggerate that it was 60%. It was more like 10% but that's enough to discourage speed rushers from trying to get the edge on him.

Sounds like a successful technique to me if it’s not called.

[bobblehead]

Sounds like a successful technique to me if it’s not called.

Yes, I acknowledged it is a very successful. Tackling by the face mask would be successful too if it didn't get called

[pbmax]

Yes, I acknowledged it is a very successful. Tackling by the face mask would be successful too if it didn't get called

Good luck with that or taking someone to the ground after a successful block. That last one drives me crazy. A great block destroys the opponent and the O lineman gets flagged because the defended got housed.