Manning, No MVP

[Merlin]

I bet he's loved. He's Peyton freaking Manning. He wins. Straight up.

Perhaps the reason the backs ran so rampant as the Bears would only put 6-7 in the box to shut down the passing attack of Manning?

Passing attack of "Manning"? You mean the COLTS, Manning is nothing without the talent surrounding him. Take away Wayne & Harrison as the Bears did and what do you get? Mr Chicken Shit check down who got rid of the ball 5 seconds earlier then he needed to. Face it, Rhodes is the MVP, not Manning.

Quiz:
Which one of these Super Bowl QBs Deserves to be an MVP?

14-27 for 246 yards, 0 INT, 2 TD, 0 Fumble
25-42 for 256 yards, 1 INT, 3 TD, 1 Fumble
25-38 for 247 yards, 1 INT, 1 TD, 1 Fumble

You have to consider the conditions. Rhodes shouldn't even be the MVP over Addai... Addai definitely was the workhorse and Rhodes took advantage of Addai pounding the ball the entire first half.

Manning is nothing without his talent surrounding him? It's like chicken or the egg, is it Manning who makes the talent or is it just that good? Manning, the best QB in the NFL, possibly in the history of the NFL, is like Favre. He makes his receivers better. How many tight ends, receivers and running backs have been the benefactor of playing with Favre and getting a bigger contract than they deserved elsewhere only to dissapoint? I can think of many. It would be the exact same situation with Manning.

Harrison is a great, great receiver. But lets be honest, he would not be a future HOF if Brad Johnson was his quarterback.

Way to not answer the question. I would expect nothing less I guess.

As far as Manning goes, name one receiver that became a big name at Indy with Manning as the QB that went on to mediocrity with another team. I can't think of one. Put Manning on the 2005 or 2006 Packers. How well does he fair then? Horribly because he can't scramble worth a crap and is terrible under pressure. Those are proven facts. Face it, take away all of the talent he has around him and he is nothing. His brother actually has a better arm and scrambles better, the difference, the talent surrounding him.

[Guiness]

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[Guiness]

While I don't think Manning deserved it, it's not like he stunk the joint up the way some are saying.

IMO I think they should've given it to the OL. Two backs around 100yds, and a QB with lots of time to make his progression before having to throw a check down, all against the #1 D in the league this year == an OL doing an excellent job.

Would've been nice too, after PM threw them under the bus earlier this year.

BTW I see Sportsline and a couple of other sites saying Wrex isn't to blame. He isn't???

[Merlin]

As far as Harrison goes, he would be a pro-bowler on any team. They guy has skills and saying it's all Manning is naive. Manning is not known for forcing the ball in there, in fact he usually has so much time in the pocket that any receiver that can do his job will get open for him.

Favre on the other hand forces the players around him to play better. They aren't open the "whack" the ball is there. Favre also doesn't throw his team under the bus when they lose.

Manning was whining the whole game, he isn't a leader, he is a benefactor. The Bears don't need 8 men in the box to stop the run. The offensive line and the running backs did their job, Manning did not do his. Check downs for a high percentage of your passes does not make you and MVP and neither does running away from the fumble you caused. He is a wuss and is NOT the best QB in the NFL. At least when Sexy Rexy fumbled, he tried to recover it. He didn't walk away from the play when he had a good chance of getting it like Ol' Peyton.

[Partial]

I bet he's loved. He's Peyton freaking Manning. He wins. Straight up.

Perhaps the reason the backs ran so rampant as the Bears would only put 6-7 in the box to shut down the passing attack of Manning?

Passing attack of "Manning"? You mean the COLTS, Manning is nothing without the talent surrounding him. Take away Wayne & Harrison as the Bears did and what do you get? Mr Chicken Shit check down who got rid of the ball 5 seconds earlier then he needed to. Face it, Rhodes is the MVP, not Manning.

Quiz:
Which one of these Super Bowl QBs Deserves to be an MVP?

14-27 for 246 yards, 0 INT, 2 TD, 0 Fumble
25-42 for 256 yards, 1 INT, 3 TD, 1 Fumble
25-38 for 247 yards, 1 INT, 1 TD, 1 Fumble

You have to consider the conditions. Rhodes shouldn't even be the MVP over Addai... Addai definitely was the workhorse and Rhodes took advantage of Addai pounding the ball the entire first half.

Manning is nothing without his talent surrounding him? It's like chicken or the egg, is it Manning who makes the talent or is it just that good? Manning, the best QB in the NFL, possibly in the history of the NFL, is like Favre. He makes his receivers better. How many tight ends, receivers and running backs have been the benefactor of playing with Favre and getting a bigger contract than they deserved elsewhere only to dissapoint? I can think of many. It would be the exact same situation with Manning.

Harrison is a great, great receiver. But lets be honest, he would not be a future HOF if Brad Johnson was his quarterback.

Way to not answer the question. I would expect nothing less I guess.

As far as Manning goes, name one receiver that became a big name at Indy with Manning as the QB that went on to mediocrity with another team. I can't think of one. Put Manning on the 2005 or 2006 Packers. How well does he fair then? Horribly because he can't scramble worth a crap and is terrible under pressure. Those are proven facts. Face it, take away all of the talent he has around him and he is nothing. His brother actually has a better arm and scrambles better, the difference, the talent surrounding him.

Peyton's strong suits aren't his arm or his scrambling ability. They are that he is in essence he is a coach on the field, and can read a defense better than anyone in the history of the NFL. I didn't answer your question because it is a stupid question. Extremely stupid. How can you compare stats from a game where there were POOLS of water on the sidelines and an incredibly slick ball from one where there wasn't? It is idiotic to do so. It is also moronic to look entirely at stats in determining the MVP. The MVP generally doesn't have the best stats because teams have to cater their scheme to stop him, thus opening up opportunities for other players.

It goes without saying that Brian Urlacher is the best LB in the NFL. Look at his stats for a change. They're maybe top 10 when you balance it all out, but they aren't by far the best.

Comparing Eli to Peyton at this point is laughable. Fucking laughable.

Eli has the better tight end. He has an equal #1. He has an infinitely better running back. He also has a much, much, much better defense. Laughable man, Ha!

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jORDAN'S teammates didn't like him so much either

Thats because the star gets all the attention, all the publicity, and all the awards.

The star makes the other players look better, and thus they think they are better players than they are, and thus deserve more accolade ala the star. It's funny how that works!!

This explains why so many people here don't like me!

[Merlin]

I don't think Rex is entirely to blame either. I think that rests with the coaches. They had a game plan but part of that was to pound the ball then go over the top for a few quick hitters. The only way that works is if you have a QB who can throw the ball. They should have dinked and dunked along with the running game. They were close until the INT for a TD (And MVP type play BTW and one that changed the whole game). I give the Bears defense credit for holding down the Colts passing game (notice I didn't say "Mannings Passing Game"). The problem there is that they were too over confident that they could stop the run with only two LB's on the field. Urlacher played tough but once the RB gets to that second level and there is a OL there to take out the LB, it's going to go for a big gain.

[Partial]

I don't think Rex is entirely to blame either. I think that rests with the coaches. They had a game plan but part of that was to pound the ball then go over the top for a few quick hitters. The only way that works is if you have a QB who can throw the ball.

If there is one thing that is exceptionally solid about Rex, it is his arm. He has had great success with that deep ball to Berrian this year.

[Merlin]

It's nice to see Partial that you never let reality interfere with your logic. Keep on spewing all of those sound bytes from the media, you know they are ALWAYS true!

[Merlin]

I don't think Rex is entirely to blame either. I think that rests with the coaches. They had a game plan but part of that was to pound the ball then go over the top for a few quick hitters. The only way that works is if you have a QB who can throw the ball.

If there is one thing that is exceptionally solid about Rex, it is his arm. He has had great success with that deep ball to Berrian this year.

He has had some I don't argue that. So did Dante Cullpepper!

[Partial]

I don't think Rex is entirely to blame either. I think that rests with the coaches. They had a game plan but part of that was to pound the ball then go over the top for a few quick hitters. The only way that works is if you have a QB who can throw the ball.

If there is one thing that is exceptionally solid about Rex, it is his arm. He has had great success with that deep ball to Berrian this year.

He has had some I don't argue that. So did Dante Cullpepper!

I guess. I can't fault the Bears for putting it all on the line and going for the deep pass against the cover 2 ( which is going to double any receiver going deep in its efforts to minimize the big play ) , because Indy had the momentum at that point and they knew they would have lost the game if they didn't knock one out of the park. The ball wasn't actually thrown that badly. It was the first pick that was an awful pass.

[Merlin]

Rex threw into triple coverage earlier deep and if he didn't throw it so far, the receiver actually would have had a good chance to grab it.

I think both QB's weren't putting much on the ball because there were a lot of floaters from both of them. Even Mannings TD to Wayne was way under thrown. Grossman needs to work on throwing in the weather more, he had no touch on the deep ball at all. It either hung up there or was a rocket over everyone.

[MadtownPacker]

There where throwing lanes open but grossboy couldnt force it in. instead he threw up rainbow that had no chance.

The 37 yr old gunslinger would have had his way with the Colts D rain or shine.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'd venture to say that Favre played better in both of his Super Bowl games than half of the MVP winning QBs in the Super Bowl. Of course, guys like bulldog will use that as a way to rip Favre. As if Howard winning the MVP should be a rip on Favre. He was still the most valuable player on both of those Super Bowl teams, and he probably played as well as any Packer in those two games. Howard was just the Cinderella story, but without Favre's two audibles into two long TDs, his TD run, and his two point conversion, Green Bay doesn't win.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Which one of these Super Bowl QBs Deserves to be an MVP?

14-27 for 246 yards, 0 INT, 2 TD, 0 Fumble
25-42 for 256 yards, 1 INT, 3 TD, 1 Fumble
25-38 for 247 yards, 1 INT, 1 TD, 1 Fumble

14-27 for 246 yards, 0 int, 0 fumbles, and 3 TDs. Favre ran for one also. Not to mention he converted a two-point conversion to Chmura.

Favre averaged 250 yards and had 5 passing, 1 rushing TD, 1 interception, 1 fumble in the two Super Bowl games.

Manning had a good game. Can't take that away from him. I thought he was going to implode early, but the Colts were such a better team that I think it allowed him to settle down and play normal Peyton Manning football. This was just a complete team victory.