Manning, No MVP

[b bulldog]

I misread them from the stats page, I was wrong. Howard had one faircatch so he actually returned punts five times for 90 yards, averaging 18 per return with a long of 34. I guess these numbers were the reason why he was the MVP of the game as with the 49er game. 244 return yards is a great day and every Packers fan knew it. He was the man!

[Patler]

What's the big deal about who gets the MVP award? It's meaningless, because every winning team usually has several deserving players.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I misread them from the stats page, I was wrong. Howard had one faircatch so he actually returned punts five times for 90 yards, averaging 18 per return with a long of 34. I guess these numbers were the reason why he was the MVP of the game as with the 49er game. 244 return yards is a great day and every Packers fan knew it. He was the man!

Ummm... a fair catch doesn't count against a returner's total returns. If a guy has 7 punt returns, returns 6 for 90 yards, and fair catches 1. His stats will look like this:

RET   FC    YDS   AVG
6     1     90    15.0

[b bulldog]

damn that Manning, now we can't say he didn't win the big one or maybe now we can say he didn't lose the big one. Give it up, give him his due. He didn't wow anyone with his numbers but the way he played against the Pats, I'm fine with him getting the award. He is a great QB who will own all the records if he stays healthy. He said he would still like to play 8-10 years. Brett was once great, now he is old and average but he isn't a liability but he is no where near a top 3 qb. brett wuill break every record this season, good and bad but Manning will own the record book when he retires and even if Brett still does own the records, he'll most be remembered for a being a tough QB who had loads of fun and had the arm of a cannon and always made things interesting. He'll also be a first ballot HOFer and a top 10 qb.

[b bulldog]

What's your point, I thought it ws part of the returns, my bad AGAIN BUT i'D ADVISE you to watch the game again. The Pats stopped the Pack in the second half and had the momentum after their score until Howard ran 99 yards for the TD and Reggie closed the door with his three sacks. You want to argue who was better, Reggie was the best player on that team, even at his age, pretty much all the players knew it as it has been pointed out time and time again in the books regarding the 96 team. You keep trying to put other great QB's down in order to make Brett look better and this thread had plenty of posts pointing how Manning didn't deserve it before I got involved. One more thing, stats say quite a bit but the flow of the game and what who does what at key moments will give you your MVP. Elway is a prime example and som is Howard, even though he was the weapon of choice during the 96 season.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You want to argue who was better, Reggie was the best player on that team

That's highly debatable. Favre was in the middle of his three-time MVP streak. Reggie was the best DE in history. I'd still take one of the top 5 QBs over the best DE. Reggie was at the end of his career. Favre was in his prime. That defense was loaded and ranked #1. Green Bay's offense wasn't loaded (except for #4) and ranked #1.

You keep trying to put other great QB's down in order to make Brett look better and this thread had plenty of posts pointing how Manning didn't deserve it before I got involved.

When did I say Manning didn't deserve it? Look in the mirror pal. Just pointing out another counter to your tired rip on Favre that he never won a Super Bowl MVP. I don't think I need to go back and point out the numerous times you've stated this in your attempt to take away from Brett's accomplishments.

[b bulldog]

Howard had two less yards than Brett had passing and he only touched the ball 10 times, come on, you can't be serious about being a tossup, can you?

[MadtownPacker]

What's the big deal about who gets the MVP award? It's meaningless, because every winning team usually has several deserving players.

Nice double backhand Patler!!

I doubt Favre really cares about being the SB MVP. Hell I bet any QB would pass it up in exchange for a STs TD.

[b bulldog]

the Packers O had two great TE's, two solid rb's, two very good wr's and one solid three wr in Beebe and a very good Oline. You say Howard gets credit along with his unit for their success but when it comes to Brett, he only had good or decent talent, love the double talk. Once again, you know more about the players than the coaches and the players did themselves, funny, but I'll take their word for it.

[b bulldog]

The award may be meaningless but in big time games, players who step up and stick out in terms of their play should be rewarded. My vote last night would have been for Addai and Rhodes as coMVP's but everybody knows that it would be Mannings if the Colts won and if the Packers get back, Brett will probably get it.It can be similiar to the Heisman. When was the last time the best player in college football won the Heisman?? Last season was debateable with Bush but I thought all along that Young was better and he proved it during the Rose Bowl.

[MadtownPacker]

Last season was debateable with Bush but I thought all along that Young was better and he proved it during the Rose Bowl.

Umm Bulldog, that was the year befores Heisman race.

[HarveyWallbangers]

the Packers O had two great TE's, two solid rb's, two very good wr's and one solid three wr in Beebe and a very good Oline. You say Howard gets credit along with his unit for their success but when it comes to Brett, he only had good or decent talent, love the double talk. Once again, you know more about the players than the coaches and the players did themselves, funny, but I'll take their word for it.

You keep saying this in your back-handed compliments to Favre, but I answered this in a previous thread. Freeman wasn't a very good WR yet. Brooks got injured, so Rison started much of the year. Rison at that point in his career was nothing more than an average starter. What did he average 2 catches/game in his stint with the Packers? The RBs were solid, but nothing great. The OL was not "very good." They had a rookie RG and a washed up street FA who started after Michels failed. Favre made that OL look a lot better with the escapability he had at the time. Most great offenses have more than two great TEs, two decent WRs, two decent RBs, and an average OL. Are you kidding me? Great offenses have Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, and Torry Holt. They have Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne. They have Randy Moss, Cris Carter, Jake Reed, and Robert Smith. Their OL personnel was FAR from dominant.

[Patler]

What's the big deal about who gets the MVP award? It's meaningless, because every winning team usually has several deserving players.

Nice double backhand Patler!!

I doubt Favre really cares about being the SB MVP. Hell I bet any QB would pass it up in exchange for a STs TD.

Exactly. Fans and some in the media make a bigger deal out of it than it deserves. Any award that is voted on by fans and/or the media tends to be a poapularity based award as much as anything.

[Ballboy]

I think the real reason he won is that Cadillac wanted a face for a possibility of a commercial in the future....who better than Manning?

[Patler]

Brooks got injured, so Rison started much of the year.

Not exactly. Rison only played 5 regular season games with the Packers, and started 4 of them.

Brooks was injured early, but Rison wasn't brought in until Freeman was injured, too.