Chris Mortensen: GB source confirms Favre wants Moss

[woodbuck27]

The thing that worries me about Moss is that we are only a few seasons removed from when the Vikings had to institute the "Randy Ratio" in order to maintain his interest in the game. With Driver on the other side, could GB meet the "Randy Ratio"???

Dare I challenge Patler?? This is gonna end up like Al Harris (Patler) on a 4th string WR (me) but here goes..

In 2004 walker aned Driver both had 1000+ yds and a bunch of TDs between them. Favre haas always been excellent at spreading the ball to everyone so I dont see this hurting DDs production, in fact I see it increasing since he wont be triple covered every passing down.

Moss had his best seasons with chris carter opposite of him. Im sure DD could provide the same for Moss and likewise.

This deal goes down and the Super Bowl talk will begin.

I wasn't arguing that we can't satisfy Moss, because I don't know what it takes to satisfy him. The "Randy Ratio" as I recall was some ridiculously high percentage of offensive plays. Rastak, are you out there?

Moss was best when Carter was there, but Moss was young and respected Carter at the time. He became more assertive, and more abrasive when Carter was no longer keeping his thumb on him. I also wonder if Moss would respect Driver? I don't know, but Moss should not expect to come to GB and be "THE MAN".

I would hope GB doesn't repeat the 2004 numbers with just two receivers again. Ferguson was the third WR in catches with 24 that year, and Chatman had 22. I hope Jennings can be in the 40-50 range as the 3rd WR, and that the TEs get more involved. Finally, I hope the Packers throw less and run more than in 2004. The didn't this year, but MM keeps arguing for balance. In 2004 it was 598/441 in the pass/run ratio. If you balance that out more, there could be 75 fewer passing attempts and 50 fewer receptions to divide up.

Could GB keep Moss interested enough to run out his plays, even as a decoy? I don't know.

Favre will be gunning for 4000 yards in 2007; so there will be plenty pass's up for grabs.

I don't buy that for a minute. If the Packers are winning running the ball Favre will be happy just like he was when the Brain had the best O-line and Green was just ripping it up. I have to think Moss might feel the same way. Winning changes everything and I think Moss would be just fine winning a SB but not having All-Pro numbers. But maybe not.

** I don't mean it will be all about 4000 yards.I mean that 4000 yards looks like a real possibility with the likes of DD, Moss and Greg Jennings (and I hope that) Ruvell Martin gets a second season in the Green and Gold.

Ruvell Martin showed me that he was a real team player last season.He has good height and showed that he can go up and fight for the ball.

Do we really need Randy Moss?

** I know that Brett Favre would be happier, having to throw the ball closer to 35 times per game and using the long pass as a real weapon again, as it was when we had Javon Walker in the fold.

[retailguy]

The best thing that ever happened to Randy Moss was TO. If not for TO, Moss would be viewed as the biggest idiot in the NFL.

I don't think this happens because I think Al Davis makes Randy suffer. He did it with Marcus Allen. He did it and continues to do it with Jerry Porter.
Moss is likely going nowhere after that phone call. Been all quiet in Raiderland since that call. You don't diss Davis and get away with it.

And, those of you advocating Ferguson.... Where do you come up with this stuff? Just because YOU see it as fair value? What idiot in their right mind trades a candy bar for Ferguson? Isn't happening... Stick to Madden.

[Scott Campbell]

What idiot in their right mind trades a candy bar for Ferguson?

If only Shermy was a GM somewhere.

:P

[Cheesehead Craig]

I wasn't arguing that we can't satisfy Moss, because I don't know what it takes to satisfy him. The "Randy Ratio" as I recall was some ridiculously high percentage of offensive plays. Rastak, are you out there?

I live in the Twin Cities, so I'll chime in. The whole "Randy Ratio" was made up by Tice as Red McCombs wanted to hire a coach that was going to commit publicly to using the team's #1 player and marketing aspect. It was all about getting people to keep coming to games for Red (and thus more $ for him). Tice (who frankly is an outstanding OL coach) wanted to be a HC, so put this out there to satisfy Red and the fans who were screaming for it. It wasn't Randy who asked for this, it was put upon him.

Moss was best when Carter was there, but Moss was young and respected Carter at the time. He became more assertive, and more abrasive when Carter was no longer keeping his thumb on him. I also wonder if Moss would respect Driver? I don't know, but Moss should not expect to come to GB and be "THE MAN".

I think there is enough veteran leadership on the team to keep Moss in check. There essentially was none in MN when Carter left. Driver is an excellent WR and frankly a great role model for hard work for Moss that may very well rub off on him.

Could GB keep Moss interested enough to run out his plays, even as a decoy? I don't know.

It would be a waste to have him as a decoy. Get him involved and he'll keep his mouth shut and produce. That is one of the problems with how he was used in Oakland. How productive would any professional athlete be if all they were told was "You run down the field and just occupy 2 defenders so that we can run the offense through the other WR's." It's an insult to players with the ability to demand that much defensive attention to just make them decoys with the occasional ball thrown their way.

I don't think you are saying just to make him a decoy, but just wanted to dismiss the decoy argument right away.

[oregonpackfan]

There are just 3 absolutes in life:

1. death

2. taxes

3. Randy Moss should never play for the Green Bay Packers


OPF

[Patler]

Could GB keep Moss interested enough to run out his plays, even as a decoy? I don't know.

It would be a waste to have him as a decoy. Get him involved and he'll keep his mouth shut and produce. That is one of the problems with how he was used in Oakland. How productive would any professional athlete be if all they were told was "You run down the field and just occupy 2 defenders so that we can run the offense through the other WR's." It's an insult to players with the ability to demand that much defensive attention to just make them decoys with the occasional ball thrown their way.

I don't think you are saying just to make him a decoy, but just wanted to dismiss the decoy argument right away.

Well, he certainly isn't going to be the primary target on every play, and on draws or delays he has to make it look like a passing play, so yes, there will be times when he has to make it look like a play involving him when it won't be. He has had a MAJOR problem with this in the past, at times, even when he was in MN and was the primary receiver they had..

[Fritz]

Four or five years ago, I'd be jumping up & down over this prospect.

Now, I really don't know. For one thing, how much does Moss have left? I can't say I saw the guy play at a high level all last year. You'd assume he'd have something left, but is it in an area that will help our team?


Moss was always Mr Vertical, but now he seems to be more of a hook inside reciever. We got a couple of guys like that, we need a burner. Moss' burner seems about out.


Ferg and a 3? Seems like a no brainer, but TT has shown he can do some damage with a 3rd round pick.


Go ahead and flame, but I'd rather cut Ferg, and give the 3rd to Thompson and see what he does with it.

This is where I stand. No Mo Moss. TT can pick up a long term starter instead of an over the hill bad-character wideout. NO!

[vince]

I think that this is a no-brainer if it's true. Moss for a 3rd and Fergie? Where do we sign? I would have little doubt this would be a done deal if that's the case. We just wait for March 2 (I think that's the first day trades can be made?)

Ted'll just trade down in the 2nd to get the guy he targeted the whole time and pick up a third in the draft (and get the guy he targeted) anyway....

If it takes more than that though, it's not such a no-brainer, and I don't think TT would pull the trigger.

The biggest downside to Moss, IMO, isn't his attitude. It's the combination of his age and pricetag.

But again, I think if the rumor of a 3rd and a receiver is true - this is a done deal. This would be a bigger heist than What's-his-name (my mind's blocked him out) for a second last year...

Randy Moss can go up and get the deep ball better than anyone in the league, including what's-his-name - if he wants to. He'd have ample motivation to play his ass off as a Packer... Great fans, a lot to prove, play against his former team twice a year, Brett Favre, highly competitive team, etc., etc., etc.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Could GB keep Moss interested enough to run out his plays, even as a decoy? I don't know.

It would be a waste to have him as a decoy. Get him involved and he'll keep his mouth shut and produce. That is one of the problems with how he was used in Oakland. How productive would any professional athlete be if all they were told was "You run down the field and just occupy 2 defenders so that we can run the offense through the other WR's." It's an insult to players with the ability to demand that much defensive attention to just make them decoys with the occasional ball thrown their way.

I don't think you are saying just to make him a decoy, but just wanted to dismiss the decoy argument right away.

Well, he certainly isn't going to be the primary target on every play, and on draws or delays he has to make it look like a passing play, so yes, there will be times when he has to make it look like a play involving him when it won't be. He has had a MAJOR problem with this in the past, at times, even when he was in MN and was the primary receiver they had..

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Well, of course he won't be the primary every play, it's just that in Oakland, he was used primarily as a decoy and that is a waste of his talent. That was what I was aruging against. Sorry for any confusion.

[SudsMcBucky]

Re: Moss

The other point made about what he has left in the tank is a valid question.

Actually, with all the plays he took off in MN and the time he sat last year, he should have PLENTY in his tank.

[Partial]

If all it costs is a third and a receiver, don't you think some team will step up to the plate with a second?

[Patler]

Re: Moss

The other point made about what he has left in the tank is a valid question.

Actually, with all the plays he took off in MN and the time he sat last year, he should have PLENTY in his tank.

Good Point! In 9 seasons of play he has expended, what, maybe 6 seasons worth of effort? He should just be hitting his prime!

BTW - Moss turns 30 one week from today. Driver turned 32 last Friday.

[esoxx]

What is worth noting is Moss has been remarkably injury free during his career. It's not like the guy had a bad knee injury a few years ago that has caused him to "lose a step."

It's my view that his decline has been motiviational in a bad offense and losing team in Oakland. Bad QB's. It has less to do with his physical skills.

I'm sure he would be re-energized playing in the NFC North with Favre and getting the chance at the Vikings twice a year.

[Charles Woodson]

What is worth noting is Moss has been remarkably injury free during his career. It's not like the guy had a bad knee injury a few years ago that has caused him to "lose a step."

It's my view that his decline has been motiviational in a bad offense and losing team in Oakland. Bad QB's. It has less to do with his physical skills.

I'm sure he would be re-energized playing in the NFC North with Favre and getting the chance at the Vikings twice a year.

lets face it Andrew Walters is no Daunte Cullpepper. The only reason why moss has't performed is because of the QB situation and the crappy coach. If he stays this yearr it could get interesting espically if they take Jamarcus Russell. I dont think that if the draft Russll that moss will be leaving oakland. I mean with Jamarcus then moss should be able to perform better. But if they go the other route with Calvin Johnson then thats a sure sign that Moss will be out of there in ethier this or next year.

[vince]

If all it costs is a third and a receiver, don't you think some team will step up to the plate with a second?

Maybe. Maybe not. It does seem cheap to me too, but I'm not sure I'd step up with much more than a 3rd and Fergie... for an aging WR with a high cap figure and an attitude...

I don't think I'd give up a 3rd and Jennings...

If he were three years younger, he'd never be available for that - that's for sure.

The market may be relatively limited for him...at least that's what I'm hoping for.

It would have to be a team that thinks it can contend next year - that needs a WR...

Cowboys? Doubt it. The Vikes? Doubt it. Seattle? Doubt it. Washington? Maybe. San Diego? Maybe. Bears? Doubt it. Giants? Maybe.

We'll see.