Interesting comments on Mike Sherman by Dylan Tomlinson

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and to run the salt in the wound a little more
matt schaub, was taken 3 picks after we took BJ

we got to cut BJ and got nothing for him, atlanta might be able to get a 1st and 3rd rounder this year for schaub

don't forget was also traded up in that draft to take donut washington.

we traded up 3 times in that draft and traded down once (our second round pick, which ended up being joey thomas and part of the donut trade up)

our 6th rounder had been traded away the year before, so we had to trade the 6th round pick we got for terry glenn and our 7th round pick to move up in the 6th to take corey williams

sherman was just all over the place with this draft, and the only real talent he got in the draft was scott wells, who he took in the 7th with our compensatory pick that he probably would have traded away if he could have

the only pick we made at the spot we were originally suppose to pick at was carroll, all the rest of the picks we traded for, except wells.

all that work for nothing

[retailguy]

I understand what Sherm was trying to do (win a SB with Favre) but for a blind loyalist like Retailguy to deny that Sherm the GM sucked just proves he truly is full of Koolaid among other things.

Well, I must be full of it, but for some strange reason I keep hanging out with you guys...

Could Sherman have done as well in 2004 without all the trading? Yes. Might have done better, however, we don't get to know that. You can point to all the bad, and continue to ignore the good (there was some), and your "viewpoint" will be just as polluted with "black koolaid" as mine.

Sherm brought some great players to GB. He drafted better in the first two rounds than most GM's ever do. He drafted rather poorly in the lower rounds for the reason Patler said - He didn't value the picks as much as they should have been.

Mraynrand brings up some compelling points, yet most of the "rockheads" in this forum can't even read them with objectivity.

I'll never understand the insidious hatred of Mike Sherman. Does he have flaws? Sure, but remember, we could have had Mike Tice, or worse, Matt Millen. How about Floyd Reese and the AWESOME job he did managing the cap in Tennessee? Maybe we should get Butch Davis? How about Steve Spurrier or Dan Snyder? Maybe we could get Nick Saban? How about Dennis Green? Maybe we could get Mike Ditka out of retirement and he could trade the whole draft for Calvin Johnson? How about Tom Donahue? Maybe we could reunite Dwight Smith and Carmen Policy?

Anyone?

[retailguy]

Perhaps if Harlan had left him in place he would have run the organization into the ground, but we don't know that. .

Perhaps if we freed Charles Manson he would kill again, but we don't know that.

Pretty funny, but not an apt analogy. Sherman's worst record as a GM was 10-6, so there was no precendent for him producing overall a terrible team.

Actually, using forum logic, TT is NOT and will NEVER be responsible for 2005. See, that was ALL Shermans fault for the TERRIBLE state he left the GM role in. I just wanted you to know, that TT brought in perfectly capable guys to fill the guard slots, and got us an AWESOME replacement safety in Mark Roman. Clearly, it was TT's goal to "win now", as he denied over and over and over again that he was "rebuilding". If that's true, then he believed he was providing adequate personnel to field a competitive team. If he didn't believe that, then he's a LIAR. There is no middle ground.

This logic is directly borrowed from the "2001 Draft" logic that says Sherman was really pulling the strings for a 25 year veteran by the name of Ron Wolf.

[RashanGary]

We've all talked about this before and after listenting to a few resonable Sherm supporters *I think the ones here, now* I came to the opinion that he was just below average and not a horrible as my underthought impression originally lead me to conclude.

However, I'm thrilled to have a GM with Thompsons credentials and spoken goals. It was Shermans approach that bothered me more than the acctual results. IN the end, he hurt us but Thompson also contributed to these bad seasons by going cold turkey of FA's and overpriced rosters spots. It was the right move, but it made Sherman look even worse. With the huge cap increases, Sherm probalby could have danced that line and kept us competitive for a while.

My opinion is: Sherm average, TT really good. Normally I don't just leave it at that but most here have heard me beat my little drum more than they probably care to hear.

[Charles Woodson]

and to run the salt in the wound a little more
matt schaub, was taken 3 picks after we took BJ

we got to cut BJ and got nothing for him, atlanta might be able to get a 1st and 3rd rounder this year for schaub

don't forget was also traded up in that draft to take donut washington.

we traded up 3 times in that draft and traded down once (our second round pick, which ended up being joey thomas and part of the donut trade up)

our 6th rounder had been traded away the year before, so we had to trade the 6th round pick we got for terry glenn and our 7th round pick to move up in the 6th to take corey williams

sherman was just all over the place with this draft, and the only real talent he got in the draft was scott wells, who he took in the 7th with our compensatory pick that he probably would have traded away if he could have

the only pick we made at the spot we were originally suppose to pick at was carroll, all the rest of the picks we traded for, except wells.

all that work for nothing

Yea well if teams knew how Shaub or anybody aheadof us that were great was gana turn out then they would have chose them alot higher. You never know whose gana turn out like what. If we knew fergy would suck then we would have chosen Chambers. If we knew Carroll would have sucked then we would have chosen _________. I mean i see what your saying and i dont agree with shermy as anything even a coach(i just never liked sherm)

[BooHoo]

I would take Sherman over Millen.

[retailguy]

I would take Sherman over Millen.

So would everyone else except William Clay Ford, and most of the posters here in this forum.... 8) You'd think that "Sherman" was a synonym for "Anti-Christ".

[BooHoo]

Sorry, I stated the obvious.

[swede]

Life is good if you don't particularly care for Mike Sherman. For one thing, he's no longer here. And making jest of him just gets better with time.

And because he was and is a decent man and a pretty good football coach he's got plenty of supporters with whom to debate.

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Maybe we could get Mike Ditka out of retirement and he could trade the whole draft for Calvin Johnson?

its interesting that you mention this, because CJ has more talent, and would improve this team more then shermans entire last draft combined(2004) did.

[retailguy]

Maybe we could get Mike Ditka out of retirement and he could trade the whole draft for Calvin Johnson?

its interesting that you mention this, because CJ has more talent, and would improve this team more then shermans entire last draft combined(2004) did.

It's also interesting that you chose to ignore everything else.... and it's also interesting that Ricky Williams did so much to improve the state of the New Orleans Saints as well...

[Scott Campbell]

Was Sherman anywhere near Wall Street today?

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Was Sherman anywhere near Wall Street today?

probably not

but i bet he was in china

come on RG, you served that one up on a silver platter for me

[MadtownPacker]

I'll never understand the insidious hatred of Mike Sherman. Does he have flaws? Sure, but remember, we could have had Mike Tice, or worse, Matt Millen.

I dont hate Sherman, it was just time for a change. He was a good (but not great) HC and had alot of heart for the team.

By mentioning tice and millen you make your standards seem very low.

[retailguy]

Was Sherman anywhere near Wall Street today?

probably not

but i bet he was in china

come on RG, you served that one up on a silver platter for me

I think I'm going to change your username to "blue" just for kicks.

sherman is singlehandedly responsible for global warming and famine in africa, if he'd have been in china, there would be no stock market, and we'd be missing massive amounts of authentic chinese food.