TURTLE ARTICLE- "DEEP POCKETS, SHALLOW PLANS"

[b bulldog]

One more thing, we already reuped with Driver,Harris and Jenkins this offseason. I know DD was during the season but one could say that was a move that would have been done this offseason anyway. Those are three good moves and I bet that when it is done, we will again get at least one new starter from this crop of free agents.

[Packnut]

Hamlin

Nobody said that UFA signings were foolish just that the market as it is now is plain crazy and teams are spending much more than the players worth. Yep, lets sign players who haven't even made the probowl to contacts that make them the highest paid players at their positions, great idea!!!!! Maybe we can sign Hamlin for $8mil per season, I bet we could land him for that.

No, let's keep Manuel and have the same shit happen again. Let's keep all that money so every season we can be among the top 5 in cap money. Let's sit back and pray TT makes the right draft choices and wait another 3 years for them to develope. Let's just sit back and waste ANOTHER Brett Favre year. Oh wait, sorry I forgot that means nothing to you since before the season started you were one of Brett's biggest critics. How many "debates did you and I have over that?

Still, you were a real class act when you admitted to being wrong about Favre and admitted that I was right about him. Oops, my bad, you still hav'nt done that.............

[Packnut]

Things

Oh yeah, let's see what else have I been wrong about? Back when the hiring process was going on, I was one of the most vocal about Payton being the guy TT should hire and how about that, after his rookie season Payton is HC of the year.

How many "debates" did I have about the my point of view that Walker would come back from injury in the amount of time that it took for him to do so and still be effective.

Now I'm advocating giving Woodson type money to Hamlin. What some of you fail to realize is that the importance of the saftey position has changed.
Why you ask? Because EVERY team wants to find a Brian Westbrook type back. EVERY team is looking for that TE who will stretch the middle. EVERY team wants that one deep threat WR. If you don't have a saftey who can cover, your dead in the water. THAT's why paying Hamlin is well worth it.

It's not that complicated. Most thought TT over-paid for Woodson and he did, but there was no other choice and in hind-sight, Charles was worth the money. Hamlin would also be worth the cash cause saftey is a need RIGHT NOW. NO matter how much Hawk and Popp improve. No matter how well Jenkins plays. It's all for NOTHING if we don't upgrade the saftey position NOW!

The money is there and the player is there. There are no excuses for doing NOTHING. Are the Saints in a position to offer Hamlin a HUGE shit-load of cash? I don't think so, yet he's going there for a visit. Why is'nt he coming to us for a visit???????????????????

[Fritz]

"Oh yeah, let's see what else have I been wrong about? Back when the hiring process was going on, I was one of the most vocal about Payton being the guy TT should hire and how about that, after his rookie season Payton is HC of the year.

How many "debates" did I have about the my point of view that Walker would come back from injury in the amount of time that it took for him to do so and still be effective."

All bow down to the mighty Packnut. Sees all, knows all.

Hail Packnut!

[ahaha]

I agree with some on here about the changing importance of the safety position. If I had my choice, I'd rather have a Dawkins, Reed, or Polamao, than a shutdown corner. I was big on Huff last year, and would love it if the Pack got Landrey. But, what's up with the boner for Hamlin? He seems like a desperate choice to fill a weakness. I watched a number of Seahawk games last year, and that secondary looked awful. Hamlin wasn't exactly standing out. Plus, there's the concussion concerns. Is there something I don't see? Is this guy worth a big-money contract?

[b bulldog]

One more thing, Payton had much,much more talent in NO than Mc had in GB. MC did a fine job and so did Payton. I don't think Payton wouldd have done any better than MM in GB.

[Charles Woodson]

My thing is that were we in the playoffs? No, so that means we werent doing something right. Im not saying to go out there and sign everyone but im saying to at least bring people in, i mean positions like TE and Saftey, to name a few, could definetely use some challenging for the starting postion

[b bulldog]

wHAT WAS i WRONG ABOUT IN REGARDS TO bRETT???

[b bulldog]

hAMLIN HAS BEEN TO HOW MANY PROBOWLS AND HOW MANY GAMES TO INJURY HAS HE MISSED

[b bulldog]

yOU WANT TO MAKE A SPLASH, MOVE UP IN THE DRAFT TO PUT YOURSELF IN a position to draft CJ or Peterson.

[Charles Woodson]

yOU WANT TO MAKE A SPLASH, MOVE UP IN THE DRAFT TO PUT YOURSELF IN a position to draft CJ or Peterson.

But we know TT isnt going to do that

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, why the anger over frontloading Woodson's deal? Do you want to wait three years and when Woodson's an aging, slow, useless corner owe him ten mil for the year? That's more of a Sherman strategy.

I still don't get the whole "TT doesn't spend enough money" thing. Woodson and Pickett played well, Manuel sucked. Who exactly do you want TT to overpay? Thomas is suited to a 3-4 defense, Nate Clements got a freakin' 80 million dollar contract, Stallworth gets hurt and has already played for how many teams, and Green is good but he gets hurt, can not handle a workhorse load, and is thirty years old. I hope they re-sign him but not for a deal that will have everybody bitching in three years when he's toast but will be owed five million for the year.

So who exactly should TT race out and sign that's going to put the Pack in the Super Bowl this year?

Regarding Woodsen, I'm not angry. I just choose to consider the situation before I to glorify the signing. TT could have done a lot more. I've listed players several times that signed what I considered to be fair deals that TT made no efforts for. Weatherspoon and Chris Hope for starters. Again I like TT; I think he's an outstanding drafter. But I will probably never like him as a FA recruiter.

Would it really hurt for TT to make some efforts right off the bat ? Bring some guys in ? Who do I want them to sign ?

For starters
Ahman Green ASAP, and I don't care if they overpay a bit anymore
One of Drew Bennett, Joe Horn, Stallworth, or Curtis.....all direly needed
Grant or Hamlin; again just make an effort to compete with other GM's
Hood; a player with upside like Al Harris when he came to Green Bay

these are just a few; I'd also suggest TT should be signing a starting caliber OG/OL such as Pettigoat or Coleman.........but I'm in the minority on that one.


Cheeers,
B

[Bretsky]

Manual signed on the first day of free agency.
Pickett signed four days later.

Thank You Patler

[MJZiggy]

I thought Green's agent said they were in constant communication and Horn's agent said yesterday that they had had contact.

[Bretsky]

One more thing, Payton had much,much more talent in NO than Mc had in GB. MC did a fine job and so did Payton. I don't think Payton wouldd have done any better than MM in GB.

Agree there; but NO had a better draft wise and also used free agency quite well last year.