TURTLE ARTICLE- "DEEP POCKETS, SHALLOW PLANS"

[Charles Woodson]

One more thing, Payton had much,much more talent in NO than Mc had in GB. MC did a fine job and so did Payton. I don't think Payton wouldd have done any better than MM in GB.

and what high priced big named free agent helped them the most?

drew brees

Colston being a monster rookie, Mr Bush, and Terrence Copper didn't hurt their cause...

Yeah, but if Aaron Brooks was still pulling the trigger instead of Drew Brees they'd have finished maybe 8-8, probably worse.

People dont give enough credit to teams with good QB's and good supporting casts. People tried to say that the colts could have one with any other QB. The matter of fact is that the saints have Brees, they took a chance and it paid off greatly.

[imscott72]

My thing is that were we in the playoffs? No, so that means we werent doing something right. Im not saying to go out there and sign everyone but im saying to at least bring people in, i mean positions like TE and Saftey, to name a few, could definetely use some challenging for the starting postion

AMEN

Thats not fair. We missed the playoffs on the last weekend of the year cause the Skins choked it off to the Giants. Give is the Rams, Saints, or the Bills game back we should of won and we're in. We were that close. Not only that but we we're playing as good as any team in the conference was at that time.

We missed the playoffs because we were not good enough to beat the Rams or Bills or anybody with over a .500 record until the last game when the Bears didn't give their all out effort.

Not saying you are wrong; but bottom line is we were NOT good enough to be a contender and we need help at several positions.

Thats just it though. We weren't suppose to be any good last year. I remember we were all talking about another 4 win season when it started. We definitely exceeded expectations. We're not that far away.

Ok enough for now. Go Badgers!!!!

[imscott72]

One more thing, Payton had much,much more talent in NO than Mc had in GB. MC did a fine job and so did Payton. I don't think Payton wouldd have done any better than MM in GB.

and what high priced big named free agent helped them the most?

drew brees

Colston being a monster rookie, Mr Bush, and Terrence Copper didn't hurt their cause...

Yeah, but if Aaron Brooks was still pulling the trigger instead of Drew Brees they'd have finished maybe 8-8, probably worse.

People dont give enough credit to teams with good QB's and good supporting casts. People tried to say that the colts could have one with any other QB. The matter of fact is that the saints have Brees, they took a chance and it paid off greatly.

Brees was a gamble cause of the shoulder. If Brees was a lock to have a monster year, don't ya think the Chargers would have kept him? The Saints gambled with a lot of money and it worked out. Sometimes it doesn't.

[pbmax]

Its all about the choices you make. Sign Witherspoon and Hope as Bretsky is suggesting last year and there is no Woodson. Now Bretsky's defense has no AJ Hawk and Ahmad Carrol is your starter. Unless you think TT, M3 and Sanders wanted three Wills at LB.

Bretsky is right that those two players would have helped and were better at their position than what we have (assume Spoon takes Poppinga's starter spot for argument's sake). But there is no consideration of what happens after that.

Spoon and Hope make us, what?, maybe 9-7 or 10-6? First round playoff loss? And less cap room. Now you are a not so young team, barely playoff material, and have cap issues. Not insurmountable ones, but you're close.

Spoon and Hope are big cap numbers for a number of years. Pickett, Manual and Woodson can be replaced without much cap hit. Major flexibility when the team is ready.

The Pack are two years away, one at a minimum. Don't blow the wad until you NEED the difference maker at one or two positions to run the playoff table. After Sherman demonstated the perils of short term thinking and sign your own mediocrities, we shouldn't be so foolish to think the answers to a mediocre team are in FA.

[BallHawk]

Antwaan Randle El, Brandon Llyod, Adam Archuleta, Christian Fauria, Shaun Springs, Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, Brad Johnson, Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Leveranues Coles, John Hall, Chad Morton, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis,

What do they all have in common? They are all players acquired by the Redskins through trade and FA since 2000.

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What does it have in common with the Redskins? It's the number of Super Bowls they won since 2000.

Look at the Patriots, look at the Colts, Look at the Steelers. They build through the draft

Free Agency doesn't win championships.

[Bretsky]

Its all about the choices you make. Sign Witherspoon and Hope as Bretsky is suggesting last year and there is no Woodson. Now Bretsky's defense has no AJ Hawk and Ahmad Carrol is your starter. Unless you think TT, M3 and Sanders wanted three Wills at LB.

Bretsky is right that those two players would have helped and were better at their position than what we have (assume Spoon takes Poppinga's starter spot for argument's sake). But there is no consideration of what happens after that.

Spoon and Hope make us, what?, maybe 9-7 or 10-6? First round playoff loss? And less cap room. Now you are a not so young team, barely playoff material, and have cap issues. Not insurmountable ones, but you're close.

Spoon and Hope are big cap numbers for a number of years. Pickett, Manual and Woodson can be replaced without much cap hit. Major flexibility when the team is ready.

The Pack are two years away, one at a minimum. Don't blow the wad until you NEED the difference maker at one or two positions to run the playoff table. After Sherman demonstated the perils of short term thinking and sign your own mediocrities, we shouldn't be so foolish to think the answers to a mediocre team are in FA.

IMO we could have signed Hope, Weathersppon, and Woodsen. We just would not have frontloaded Woodsen as much.

Not sure how many wins that would have led to; but going into next year we'd have fewer weaknesses to fill.

[Charles Woodson]

Free Agency doesn't win championships.

No but it sure does help

[BallHawk]

Free Agency doesn't win championships.

No but it sure does help

That's what Dan Synder keeps telling himself.

[Bretsky]

Free Agency doesn't win championships.

No but it sure does help

That's what Dan Synder keeps telling himself.

Easy to pick out the worst FA judge in the NFL for a comparison

It's about making the RIGHT choices as well as playing

[MJZiggy]

So who does it right, B?

[Bretsky]

So who does it right, B?

There is no exact right way to do it; it's silly to think there is. It's also silly to say getting involved in free agency aggressively is the wrong way to do it.

You garner success by

1. Drafting effectively (this is the most important)

2. Using trades and free agency to supplement the weakensses you can't fill in the draft.

[falco]

Drew Bennet to the rams...

[imscott72]

Drew Bennet to the rams...

The Rams have reportedly signed Drew Bennett to a deal that will pay him $4.5 million-per-season.

The 6-5 Bennett is exactly what coach Scott Linehan has been looking for in a slot receiver. He easily could've gotten a "starting" job elsewhere, but St. Louis will use more three-receiver sets to keep its best weapons on the field. Bennett, Isaac Bruce, and Torry Holt give the Rams arguably the best top three receivers in the NFL, and should help Marc Bulger solidify himself as a top-five, possibly top-two fantasy QB.
Source: Profootballtalk.com

Wow, if he's getting 4.5 mill, we won't sign Moss for less than 6+mill....

[HarveyWallbangers]

I actually thought he'd get more. I actually like him as a #2 receiver with a #2 receiver that can spread the field. Holt and Bennett could be nice--after Bruce retires.

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