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  • TURTLE ARTICLE- "DEEP POCKETS, SHALLOW PLANS"

    Packers: Deep pockets, shallow plans
    JASON WILDE
    608-252-6176
    jwilde@madison.com

    GREEN BAY - With more than $20 million to work with under the NFL's $109 million salary cap when free agency began at 11:01 p.m. Thursday night, so much cash might have been burning a hole in the pockets of some general managers.

    But not Green Bay Packers GM Ted Thompson.

    "It's not in my pocket," Thompson said Thursday evening. "It's not my money."

    Maybe not, but he does control how it'll be used. And while it's reasonable to think Thompson will continue to be prudent with his free-agent spending, don't assume he's the Ebenezer Scrooge of the NFL, either.

    In 2005, his first year as GM, Thompson developed a reputation for disliking free agency, and the title has stuck with him, even though he signed cornerback Charles Woodson (seven years, $39 million), defensive tackle Ryan Pickett (four years, $14 million) and safety Marquand Manuel (five years, $10 million) last year. He also re-signed defensive end Aaron Kampman to a four-year, $21 million deal.

    So is his anti-free agency rep accurate?

    "No. It never was accurate. I've never operated that way," Thompson said. "People take what I say (about), 'The best route to building a team is through the draft,' as me not wanting to be involved in free agency. We spend an inordinate amount of time studying it and trying to figure out what to do in free agency.

    "I just think sometimes we can all have the attitude that the grass is greener, when in fact it might just be painted grass."

    That said, it would be stunning if the Packers got into the high-stakes bidding for top-tier names in what is considered a relatively weak free-agent class - Baltimore linebacker Adalius Thomas or Buffalo cornerback Nate Clements - though Pittsburgh linebacker Joey Porter, Minnesota cornerback Fred Smoot and tight end Jermaine Wiggins, San Diego wide receiver Keenan McCardell and New Orleans wide receiver Joe Horn were among those released Thursday.

    Thompson seems more likely to let the initial flurry of expensive signings pass, then see what remains available.

    "This first wave, you're kind of going off faith because you don't get any real contact (with them) before you might have to commit to something," Thompson said. "Clearly with the raised cap, there are more teams with more money to spend. So obviously that means - because of supply and demand - that guys will likely get elevated contracts.

    "Obviously, money is a factor in this, but this is still a football team. You have to decide if a player is going to help your team and if he's going to fit into your locker room. It doesn't do you any good to spend money for the sake of spending money."

    Thompson also believes in the keep-your-own approach of his mentor, Ron Wolf, which he demonstrated by re-signing defensive lineman Cullen Jenkins to a four-year, $16 million deal Monday.

    The Packers have two priority free agents of their own - running back Ahman Green and tight end David Martin.

    A league source at the NFL scouting combine last week said Green is seeking a three- year, $15 million deal. Given how much Green likes it in Green Bay - he's scheduled to appear at the annual Fan Fest next weekend, even though he's a free agent - one would think he'd give the Packers a chance to match any offer he received.

    Asked if he was any more optimistic about Green's return, Thompson replied, "I couldn't tell you. I know that we are continually having positive conversations with his people, but you never know."

    Green never has been a free agent, having signed a one- year, incentive-laden deal just before the market opened last year. His agent, Joby Branion, did not return a message Thursday night.

    Gathering Moss Thompson kept with his policy of not commenting on the persistent rumors of the team's interest in Oakland wide receiver Randy Moss, but he didn't deny the team has talked to the Raiders about a possible deal.

    However, Thompson did say the team wasn't actively shopping backup quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Profootballtalk.com reported the Raiders asked for a first-round pick for Moss, and the Packers countered with offering Rodgers. Rodgers, reached Thursday, said he had not been told he was on the trading block.

    "All I can say is," Thompson said, "you shouldn't believe everything you read on the Internet."
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

  • #2
    that article buys TT another day

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    • #3
      "It's not in my pocket," Thompson said Thursday evening. "It's not my money."

      What a dumb fricken comment. I mean, seriously. We KNOW it's not your effin money, but it's your job to keep your best players here. SIGN GREEN

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      • #4
        TT is doing it right; you can see the amount of overpayment going on; by keeping his cap room Thompson can continue to lock up his key FA and add solid, if not game changing players. It all boils down to how he strikes in the draft.

        That being said, I don't understand not giving Green what he wants. If Thompson didn't lock him up at 5 mil a year, he must plan on adding someone else for less money.
        Busting drunk drivers in Antarctica since 2006

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        • #5
          Originally posted by falco
          TT is doing it right; you can see the amount of overpayment going on; by keeping his cap room Thompson can continue to lock up his key FA and add solid, if not game changing players. It all boils down to how he strikes in the draft.

          That being said, I don't understand not giving Green what he wants. If Thompson didn't lock him up at 5 mil a year, he must plan on adding someone else for less money.
          I kind of agree

          Keeping the cap room to lock up your own players is fine; if you are already there in terms of having enough talent to contend. The draft is most important; but TT can get us there a heck of a lot quicker if he effectively utilizes free agency.

          How much better would we have been last year had TT signed Will Weatherspoon and Chris Hope rather than Manuel ?

          I'd like to see more early aggressiveness this year.

          B
          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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          • #6
            mORE AGGRESSIVENESS??Who the hell should we overpay to put on the green and gold?? This crop of UFA's is very weak. Green is an iffy player to me, if he goes I wish him luck, if he stays, that will be fine.
            Pass Jessica's Law and keep the predators behind bars for 25 years minimum. Vote out liberal, SP judges. Enforce all immigrant laws!

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            • #7
              Looking at what some of these guys are getting makes me realize how important it is to sign Barnett.

              We do have the franchise tag which will keep him off the market but at the same time, he's a bargain at 6 years 40 mil when you look at this crap going on today.

              I'd dump a bunch of money into Barnett up front and then see what I could do about FB and RB without going overboard. Just a patch untill the draft brings us long term fixes.

              Leonard would be a great fit for this team.
              Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by b bulldog
                mORE AGGRESSIVENESS??Who the hell should we overpay to put on the green and gold?? This crop of UFA's is very weak. Green is an iffy player to me, if he goes I wish him luck, if he stays, that will be fine.

                OK, let's just stay put while the players come off the board
                TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                • #9
                  I'm fine with it. Most of these players are good and are way overpaid. TT was called every name in the book last year at this time and look how much we improved.
                  Pass Jessica's Law and keep the predators behind bars for 25 years minimum. Vote out liberal, SP judges. Enforce all immigrant laws!

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                  • #10
                    Pay Barnett now before he gets to the open market. He will get a shit load if we wait.
                    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by b bulldog
                      I'm fine with it. Most of these players are good and are way overpaid. TT was called every name in the book last year at this time and look how much we improved.

                      Breaking down last year, TT came out at the start and signed a chump and a champ.


                      Then he sat on his ass while many young players we could have been pursuing to add to our win total came off the board.

                      Then, when we had a ridiculous amount of cap money left, TT made another great signing....but frontloaded it to use up a strong % of cap space last year.

                      I did not and still don't like that strategy.

                      TT is a great drafter and as a GM I like him overall for that; but last year he didn't have the foresight to see how fast free agency was going to work r he chose not to see the pattern.

                      There is a ton of cap money out there this year and players will get what you consider to be overpaid. Some will work and some will not. But you don't improve by not joining in and playing by the new rules.
                      TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                      • #12
                        We improved last season by waiting for the rush to conclude and than jumping in and signing some solid players. The same will happen this season.
                        Pass Jessica's Law and keep the predators behind bars for 25 years minimum. Vote out liberal, SP judges. Enforce all immigrant laws!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by b bulldog
                          We improved last season by waiting for the rush to conclude and than jumping in and signing some solid players. The same will happen this season.

                          Can you reiterate on this ? We singed Manuel and Pickett very early in March.

                          I'm confused as to who we signed after waiting for the rush to conclude.


                          Later in free agency we grabbed Ben Taylor, who did nothing for us
                          and Charles Woodson, who we grossly frontloaded to use up cap space

                          Am I missing a bunch ?
                          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                          • #14
                            The rush imo is the first few days of signings. Who did we sign last year within the first three or four days of signings, can you please tell me who?
                            Pass Jessica's Law and keep the predators behind bars for 25 years minimum. Vote out liberal, SP judges. Enforce all immigrant laws!

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                            • #15
                              I'm with both of you guys in a way. If it works out, I'm on bulldog's side. I also understand the angst from Bretsky right now.
                              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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