IF JAVON IS TRADED...........................

[Deputy Nutz]

Simple, the Packers don't need an actual tight end, they do need a playmaker on offense. Without Walker and questions surrounding Green and his injury, this team has no certifiable playmaker on offense. So in this sense I agree that Davis is a serious consideration at this point.

I am sold on Hawk, and I don't think Davis is the football player that his measurables seem to indicate.

I think that if Walker is traded or retires, This team is going to have problems moving the ball, because we know that it is hard to count on rookies to contribute right away, especially recievers.

[jack's smirking revenge]

Then again, Brett moved the ball pretty well last year when Driver was virtually our only receiver. The man has a magic way of putting the ball in the hands of his receivers (and, well, cornerbacks too). I just have a feeling that Gardner and Boerigter will turn out to be better than we all expect. They're vets that have had pretty good seasons, not rookies plucked out of NFLE.

tyler

[CyclonePackFan]

Then again, Brett moved the ball pretty well last year when Driver was virtually our only receiver. The man has a magic way of putting the ball in the hands of his receivers (and, well, cornerbacks too). I just have a feeling that Gardner and Boerigter will turn out to be better than we all expect. They're vets that have had pretty good seasons, not rookies plucked out of NFLE.

tyler

Speaking of which, we'll have a couple of those too (rookies plucked out of NFLE). Chad Lucas is sounding pretty good.

[RashanGary]

The one position that the Packers probably should not draft is TE. Davis is not a true TE so I would give him strong consideration as a pass catcher who can double as a TE from time to time.

Mercedes Lewis is just Like Bubba. He's slow, tall, good hands and reliable.

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Davis does things that I've never seen a pass catcher do. He's physically dominate and has the will to succeed. Everything else you can teach.

I saw Kellen Winslow do the same thing in college.

I saw many, many guys do this. You just never saw their highlight films, NickCollins. Lewis looks much better on film that this dude. That should tell the story right there.

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Everybody talks about how we can get a LB later, but the LBs we get later aren't near the sure thing as Hawk is. Plus, this is a great group of TEs. You want guys that produced in college, you have Byrd and Lewis. You want guys with measurables, you have Pope and Scheffler. You want good all-around TEs, you have Fasano and Klopfenstein. You want a good H-Back type, you have Daniels and Thomas. This is a good TE class.

Well put. I think the difference between Hawk and say Dqwell Jackson or any linebacker we could get in the second is greater than the difference between Lewis and Davis.

[RashanGary]

Acctually there isn't a player in the NFL who's ever had the size/speed/strength combination that Davis has so no you've never seen anyone ever do what he does because it's never happened on the NFL fooball practice field or game field. Kellen Winslow was not as explosive as Davis. Nobody is. Nobody has been.

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slow?!? He is just as fast as Vernon Davis. He did not clock well at the combine. Neither did Brian Calhoun. Would you Calhoun slow?

Good lord, the more of your posts I read the less football I believe you watch. Davis had an exceptionally fast 40 and plays much, much slower. Lewis ran a slow 40 and plays much, much faster. I would say they both play the same speed in game situation, where Lewis has better numbers, looks more fluid, and is an equally impressive athlete

[RashanGary]

DeMeco Ryans is a similar player. Hawk is above him by quite a bit but I don't really compare TE to TE or LB to LB. I compare Hawk vs Davis and Davis is the better athlete.

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Acctually there isn't a player in the NFL who's ever had the size/speed/strength combination that Davis has so no you've never seen anyone ever do what he does because it's never happened on the NFL fooball practice field or game field. Kellen Winslow was not as explosive as Davis. Nobody is. Nobody has been.

are you kidding me? This kid is a much slower, smaller shouldered TO at best(with an eighth of the talent). This is every tight end that has been drafted at the top ever. You are kidding yourself if you don't think there are 5-6 of this guy in the league right now. David Martin is this guy. Good lord, he had a fast 40 time. How many games have you watched of him? If it's less than 3 you have no credibility. My guess is you are orgasming over the stupid youtube video.

Jesus H, watch some game footage.

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DeMeco Ryans is a similar player. Hawk is above him by quite a bit but I don't really compare TE to TE or LB to LB. I compare Hawk vs Davis and Davis is the better athlete.

I wouldn't even say that. Davis is a faster runner. Hawk was probably just as good on every other drill.

You're a measurable machine. Did you order the combine on Pay per view?

How many games have you seen davis play? how many games have you seen lewis, pope or byrd play?

[RashanGary]

Acctually Davis is bigger, faster, stronger than TO or Sterling Sharpe or anyone you can think of. Davis is the most physically gifted pass catcher in the last 5 drafts. The only player with more physical upside was Randy Moss.

[RashanGary]

I've seen Davis throw DB's in a way that I didn't even think was possible. After he bitch slapped the first guy he would blaze away from the next 3 or 4 because he is not only faster than the rest of the players on the field but more explosive in his short burst and change of direction.

No you've never seen a player like Davis. I gaurantee that.

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He *might* have better measureables.

I'll tell you what. When Matt Jones makes a pro bowl you call me up. If he was so physically dominant, why did he not dominate college games?

how many times have you seen him play?

why do you think he is such a good athlete?

you're ignoring important questions.

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I've seen Davis throw DB's in a way that I didn't even think was possible. After he bitch slapped the first guy he would blaze away from the next 3 or 4 because he is not only faster than the rest of the players on the field but more explosive in his short burst and change of direction.

No you've never seen a player like Davis. I gaurantee that.

i've seen 20 in the NFL last year. I am glad you're referencing the one play on that youtube video. You have yet to say how many times you've seen him play in real games.

a highlight film is just that.