New Mexico Dragons

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nutz,

Do you want a finalized draft board from me? I've updated my draftboard quite a bit. It should be finalized this afternoon.

[Bretsky]

Nutz,

Do you want a finalized draft board from me? I've updated my draftboard quite a bit. It should be finalized this afternoon.

Can you pm me board too ?

[Deputy Nutz]

I have to finish my seventh round. I will post it here and then PM you both a copy.

[Tarlam!]

Well, MUCK THIS TEAM!

You bums are really gonna pick ol Bush. Make a trade you dipsticks!
Do the fans have to do EVERYTHING around this sick sad joint!

HOY - I'M TALKING TO YOU!!!

Listen, by the first round tomorrow, I will not even be able to typre straight, Johnnie and I will be WEELL acquainted by then!

JUST DON'T FLICK up the draft.

Total waste of air....

[Deputy Nutz]

VALUE BOARD
RD 1

QB
Matt Leinart
Vince Yound
Jay Cutler

RB
Reggie Bush
DeAngelo Williams
Lawrence Maroney

FB
0

WR
Santonio Holmes
Chad Jackson

TE
Vernon Davis
Leonard Pope
Mercedes Lewis

OT
D’Brickshaw Ferguson
Winston Justice
Marcus McNeill
Eric Winston

OG
Davin Joseph

C
Nick Mangold

DE
Mario Williams
Tamba Hali

DT
Haloti Ngata
Brodrick Bunkely
Gabe Watson

OLB
AJ Hawk
Chad Greenway
Ernie Sims
Bobby Carpenter
Manny Lawson
Demeco Ryans

MLB
0

CB
Ty Hill
Jimmy Williams
Antonio Cromartie
Jonathan Joseph
Ashton Youboty

S
Micheal Huff
Donte Whitner
Jason Allen
Daniel Bullocks
RD 2

QB
Kelly Clemons
Charlie Whitehurst

RB
Lendale White
Joseph Addai
Brian Calhoun
Maurice Drew

FB
0

WR
Derek Hagan

TE
Dominique Byrd
Joe Klopefenstein
Anthony Fasano

OT
Daryn Colledge

OG
Charles Spencer

C
0

DE
Mathias Kiwanuka
Ray Edwards

DT
Johnathan Lewis
John McCargo
Orien Harris

OLB
Kamerion Wimbley
Thomas Howard
Roger MacIntosh
Spencer Havner

MLB
Abdul Hodge
DeQwell Jackson

CB
Richard Marshall
Kelly Jennings
Cedric Griffin
Daniel Manning
Demario Minter

S
Darnell Bing
Ko Simpson
Pat Watkins







RD 3

QB
Brodie Croyle
Reggie McNeil

RB
Jerious Norwood
Leon Washington
Wali Lundy

FB
0

WR
Martin Nance
Hank Baskett
Maurice Stovall
Demetrius Williams
Jason Avant

TE
Tony Scheffler
David Thomas
Anthony Mix

OT
Jonathan Scott
Andrew Whitworth
Ryan O’Callahan
Jeremy Trueblood
Zach Strief

OG
Max Jean Gillies
Isaac Sowells
Taitusi Lutui
Fred Matua

C
Greg Eslinger
Ryan Cook
Chris Chester

DE
Mark Anderson
Darryl Tapp
Victor Adeyanju

DT
Rodique Wright
Jesse Mahelona
Dusty Dvorarek
Kyle Williams
Barry Coefield

OLB
Clint Ingram


MLB
Gerris Wilkerson
Leon Williams
Tim Dobbins

CB
Dee Webb
David Pittman
Alan Zemaitis
Devin Hester
Will Blackmon
Marcus Maxey

S
Roman Harper
Bernard Pollard
Antoine Bethea
Greg Blue
Anthony Smith

RD 4

QB
Darrell Hackney
Vruce Gradkowski
Travaris Jackson
Paul Pinger

RB
Jerome Harrison
Mike Bell
Andre Hall
Gerald Riggs Jr.

FB
Quadtrine Hill

WR
Greg Jennings
Devin Aromashodu
Ben Obomanu
Travis Williams
Brandon Williams

TE
TJ. Williams
Tim Day
Owen Daniels
Cooper Wallace

OT
Paul McQuistan
Joe Toledo
Guy Whimper

OG
Chris Kuper
Jason Spitz
Rob Sims
Kevin Boothe

C
Mike Degory
Patrick Ross

DE
Chris Gocong
Stanely McClover
Elvis Dumervil
Julian Jenkins

DT
Claude Wroten
Montavious Stanely
Babatunde Oshinowo

OLB
Jon Alston
Terna Nande
Omar Gather
AJ Nicholson

MLB
0

CB
Anwar Phillips
Tim Jennings
Darrell Hunter

S
Marcus Hudson
Calvin Lowery



RD 5

QB
Omar Jacobs
Marcus Vick
Barrick Nealy
Brad Smith
Drew Olsen
Ingle Martin

RB
Cedric Humes
Quinton Gather
Wnedall Mathis

FB
Garrett Mills
Lawerence Vickers
Matt Bernstein

WR
Jonathan Orr
Mike Haas
Brandon Marshall
Todd Watkins
Micheal Robinson

TE
Jeff King

OT
Rashad Butler
Jeromy Clary

OG
Mark Setterstrom
Adam Stenavich
Jahri Evans

C
Marvin Phillip

DE
Eric Henderson
Ryan Lacasse
James Wyche
Mike Kudla

DT
Claude Wroten
Titus Adams
Le Kevin Smith
Tommy Jackson

OLB
Jamar Williams
Cameron Vaughn

MLB
Tim McGarigle
Anthony Schlegle
Kai Parham

CB
Charles Gordon
Derrick Martin
Gerrick McPherson

S
Greg Threat
Calvin Lowery
Jahmile Addae
Nate Salley

RD 6

QB
DJ Shockley
Josh Betts
Kent Smith
Quinton Porter

RB
Taurean Henderson
Terrence Whitehead
Ryan Gilbert
Chris Barclay
De’Arrius Howard

FB
Rashon Powers-Neal
JD Runnels

WR
Willie Reid
Domenik Hixon
Jeremy Bloom
Skyler Green

TE
Cooper Wallace
Quinn Sypniewski
Darcy Johnson

OT
Micheal Toudouze
Brad Butler
Dennis Roland
Donald Penn

OG
Will Allen
Aldo De la Garza
Dan Stevenson
Willie Colon

C
Donovan Raiola

DE
Parys Haralson
Jeremy Mincey
Frostee Rucker
Copeland Bryan

DT
Manaia Brown
Steve Fifita
Domata Peko
Jonny Jolley


OLB
Omar Gaither
Stephen Tulloch
Brandon Johnson
William Kershaw
Keith Ellison

MLB
Freddie Roach
Trent Bray

CB
Dion Byrum
Josh Lay
Drew Coleman
Eric Bassey

S
Jarrad Page
Dawan Landry
Charlie Peprah

RD 7

QB
Brett Basanez
Eric Meyer
Travis Lulay
Bruce Eugene

RB
PJ Pope
Derrick Ross
Damien Rhodes
PJ Daniels

FB
David Kirtman
Naufahu Tahi
Shawn Willis

WR
Troy Bergeron
Miles Austin
Drouzon Quillen
Chris Hannon
Sean Coffey

TE
Tim Massaquoi
Jason Poziask
Troy Bienemann

OT
Troy Reddick
Mark Levoir
Albert Toeaina

OG
Matt Lentz
Tre’ Stallings
Rob Smith
Cody Douglas

C
Grayling Loving

DE
Devon Long
Mathew Rice
Darrell Adams
Ben Ishola
Moe Thompson
Charles Bennett

DT
Larry Dribbles
Gerald Anderson
Sir Henry Anderson
Steve Williams

OLB
Travis Williams
Will Derting
Anthony Trucks

MLB
William Freeman
Aaron Harris
Chad Anderson

CB
TJ Rushing
Harrison Smith
Cletus Gordan

S
Scott Ware
Willie Andrews
Eric Smith

[Tarlam!]

O.K.

So, ARE YOU DIPPIES gonna trade outta one???

[MJZiggy]

We can't Tarlam. It was decided that trading would be impossible because we'd never know if teams in real life would accept our trade offers.

[Tarlam!]

We can't Tarlam. It was decided that trading would be impossible because we'd never know if teams in real life would accept our trade offers.

That reeks of bureaucracy, my favourite thing in the whole world to hate - right after pedophiles!

When will you people finally understand, we have a future franchise to run. If we don't perform, New Mexico will face the drear of NBA and NBL for centuries to come. A whole state of the Union is flaying itself upon you "Don't let Puerto Ric beat us again"

And, you do nothing....

[MJZiggy]

Say hi to Johnnie for me.

[Deputy Nutz]

No Trades.

Sorry drunk fan.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Great job on the value board, Draft Expert. If you don't mind, I'll give you a little feedback. I'll go position by position. I'll post my value board. I'm not going to fight over small rankings differentials, but I'll argue for or against some guys.

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Matt Leinart (RD 1)
Vince Young (RD 1)
Jay Cutler (RD 1)
Kelly Clemons (RD 2)
Charlie Whitehurst (RD 2)
Brodie Croyle (RD 3)
Reggie McNeil (RD 3)
Darrell Hackney (RD 4)
Bruce Gradkowski (RD 4)
Travaris Jackson (RD 4)
Paul Pinger (RD 4)
Omar Jacobs (RD 5)
Marcus Vick (RD 5)
Barrick Nealy (RD 5)
Brad Smith (RD 5)
Drew Olsen (RD 5)
Ingle Martin (RD 5)
DJ Shockley (RD 6)
Josh Betts (RD 6)
Kent Smith (RD 6)
Quinton Porter (RD 6)
Brett Basanez (RD 7)
Eric Meyer (RD 7)
Travis Lulay (RD 7)
Bruce Eugene (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Vince Young, Early 1st
2 Matt Leinart, Early 1st
3 Jay Cutler, Mid 1st
4 Charlie Whitehurst, Late 2nd
5 Kellen Clemens, Early 3rd
6 Brodie Croyle, Mid 3rd
7 Reggie McNeal, Early 4th
8 Tarvaris Jackson, Mid 4th
9 Omar Jacobs, Early 5th
10 Bruce Gradkowski, Late 5th
11 Darrell Hackney, Early 6th
12 D.J. Shockley, Late 6th
13 Erik Meyer, Early 7th
14 Brett Basanez, Mid 7th
15 Paul Pinegar, Mid 7th
16 Marcus Vick, Late 7th
17 Barrick Nealy, 7th-FA
18 Drew Olson, 7th-FA
19 Ingle Martin, 7th-FA
20 Travis Lulay, 7th-FA
21 Kent Smith, 7th-FA
22 Bruce Eugene, FA
23 Justin Holland, FA
24 Brett Elliott, FA
25 Matt Baker, FA
26 Brandon Kirsch, FA

GENERAL OBSERVATION:

I believe you are over-valuing some of the QBs at the end of the draft. You have guys like Nealy, Martin, Olson, etc. with a 5th round value. Not one of those guys was mocked to go before the 6th round in any of the trustworthy mocks that I based some of my value board on. Other guys like Betts, Porter, and Smith you have 6th round grades on, and none of those guys went before the 7th round in any mock that I saw. I know it's hard to tweak a value board. I had like 40-45 guys valued in each round, so I had to go back through my value board and make sure I wasn't overstuffing the value board.

PLAYER EVALUATIONS

I have Young rated higher, but I can't quarrel with anybody who has Leinart higher.

I'm glad you aren't as high on Brodie Croyle as some others. Personally, I like Charlie Whitehurst more than Kellen Clemens, but they are close, and I like them both more than Croyle.

We both like Reggie McNeal and Tarvaris Jackson more than most.

We both appear to like Nealy as a sleeper.

The one change I would make is that I'd drop Darrell Hackney a bit. All of the trustworthy boards have him #8-12 at QB. You have him at the high end of that (#8), and I have him at the low end of that (#11)--with a much lower value. He has a great arm, but I don't like QBs that are under 6' tall.

Erik Meyer is a sleeper that I like. He's a little short, but he's a good athlete with a good arm.

Darrell Hackney
QB | (5'11", 239, 4.83) | ALABAMA BIRMINGHAM

Overall: Hackney is a thickly built quarterback with adequate arm strength and above average athletic ability. However, his marginal size and history of durability issues are major red flags as a pro prospect. He also has much room to improve in terms of his passing mechanics and overall consistency. Hackney really struggled during the post-season process (Senior Bowl and NFL Combine, where his size proved to be comparatively marginal and his erratic passing woes stood out. Look for Hackney to slip to the final few rounds of this year's draft, as a result.

Erik Meyer
QB | (6'1", 210, 4.7) | EASTERN WASHINGTON

Overall: As a senior in 2005, he completed 65.5-percent of his throws for 4,003 yards, 30 touchdowns and five interceptions. He also ran for 221 yards on 92 carries. The level of competition (DI-AA) Meyer competed on in college certainly raises concerns. He also lacks prototypical size. However, he is an efficient passer with the arm strength to make all the NFL throws and the ability to buy extra time in the pocket due to his quick feet and presence. Meyer shows enough upside to work with as a late-round project in the 2006 class and his best fit would be in a West Coast offensive scheme.

[HarveyWallbangers]

RB

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Reggie Bush (RD 1)
DeAngelo Williams (RD 1)
Lawrence Maroney (RD 1)
Lendale White (RD 2)
Joseph Addai (RD 2)
Brian Calhoun (RD 2)
Maurice Drew (RD 2)
Jerious Norwood (RD 3)
Leon Washington (RD 3)
Wali Lundy (RD 3)
Jerome Harrison (RD 4)
Mike Bell (RD 4)
Andre Hall (RD 4)
Gerald Riggs Jr. (RD 4)
Cedric Humes (RD 5)
Quinton Gather (RD 5)
Wnedall Mathis (RD 5)
Taurean Henderson (RD 6)
Terrence Whitehead (RD 6)
Ryan Gilbert (RD 6)
Chris Barclay (RD 6)
De’Arrius Howard (RD 6)
PJ Pope (RD 7)
Derrick Ross (RD 7)
Damien Rhodes (RD 7)
PJ Daniels (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Reggie Bush, Early 1st
2 DeAngelo Williams, Mid 1st
3 Laurence Maroney, Mid 1st
4 LenDale White, Early 2nd
5 Joseph Addai, Early 2nd
6 Brian Calhoun, Early 3rd
7 Jerious Norwood, Early 3rd
8 Maurice Drew, Early 4th
9 Jerome Harrison, Mid 4th
10 Leon Washington, Late 4th
11 Andre Hall, Late 4th
12 Wali Lundy, Early 5th
13 Mike Bell, Mid 5th
14 Gerald Riggs, Mid 5th
15 PJ Daniels, Early 6th
16 DonTrell Moore, Mid 6th
17 Wendell Mathis, Mid 6th
18 Taurean Henderson, Late 6th
19 Cedric Humes, Late 6th
20 Quinton Ganther, Mid 7th
21 Terrence Whitehead, Late 7th
22 De'Arrius Howard, Late 7th
23 Derrick Ross, 7th-FA
24 Cory Ross, 7th-FA
25 Chris Taylor, 7th-FA
26 Arliss Beach, 7th-FA
27 Ryan Gilbert, FA
28 Damien Rhodes, FA
29 J.R. Lemon, FA
30 Jerod Void, FA
31 Patrick Cobbs, FA

I don't really have an argument against your board. I'm not that big on all of the little backs in this draft that are destined be third down backs in the NFL. That's why I like Norwood, Bell, and Lundy. You like them as well, so our boards are rather similar here also.

The only guy that I think is a little under-valued on most boards is Jerious Norwood. He doesn't have ideal size, but he's actually one of the bigger RBs in this draft (it's a small crop) after the first 5, runs a 4.33 40, and was highly productive in college.

[HarveyWallbangers]

FB

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Quadtrine Hill (RD 4)
Garrett Mills (RD 5)
Lawerence Vickers (RD 5)
Matt Bernstein (RD 5)
Rashon Powers-Neal (RD 6)
JD Runnels (RD 6)
David Kirtman (RD 7)
Naufahu Tahi (RD 7)
Shawn Willis (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Lawrence Vickers, Late 4th
2 Garret Mills, Mid 5th
3 Matt Bernstein, Mid 6th
4 Quadtrine Hill, Late 6th
5 David Kirtman, Early 7th
6 Gilbert Harris, Late 7th
7 Naufahu Tahi, 7th-FA
8 JD Runnels, 7th-FA
9 Rashon Powers-Neal, FA
10 Shawn Willis, FA

My board differs from your board a little, but who can really judge a college FB. I will say that my board almost directly follows the consensus (among Pro Football Weekly, ESPN, Fox Sports, NFL Draft Countdown, Packer Plus, Dallas Morning News) at this position.

[HarveyWallbangers]

WR

YOUR VALUE BOARD:

Santonio Holmes (RD 1)
Chad Jackson (RD 1)
Derek Hagan (RD 2)
Martin Nance (RD 3)
Hank Baskett (RD 3)
Maurice Stovall (RD 3)
Demetrius Williams (RD 3)
Jason Avant (RD 3)
Greg Jennings (RD 4)
Devin Aromashodu (RD 4)
Ben Obomanu (RD 4)
Travis Williams (RD 4)
Brandon Williams (RD 4)
Jonathan Orr (RD 5)
Mike Haas (RD 5)
Brandon Marshall (RD 5)
Todd Watkins (RD 5)
Micheal Robinson (RD 5)
Willie Reid (RD 6)
Domenik Hixon (RD 6)
Jeremy Bloom (RD 6)
Skyler Green (RD 6)
Troy Bergeron (RD 7)
Miles Austin (RD 7)
Drouzon Quillen (RD 7)
Chris Hannon (RD 7)
Sean Coffey (RD 7)

MY FINAL VALUE BOARD:

1 Chad Jackson, Late 1st
2 Santonio Holmes, Late 1st
3 Sinorice Moss, Early 2nd
4 Demetrius Williams, Early 2nd
5 Maurice Stovall, Early 2nd
6 Derek Hagan, Mid 2nd
7 Greg Jennings, Late 2nd
8 Travis Wilson, Early 3rd
9 Jason Avant, Mid 3rd
10 Brandon Marshall, Late 3rd
11 Todd Watkins, Late 3rd
12 Devin Aromashodu, Late 3rd
13 Michael Robinson, Early 4th
14 Mike Hass, Early 4th
15 Brandon Williams, Mid 4th
16 Martin Nance, Mid 4th
17 Hank Baskett, Late 4th
18 Jeff Webb, Early 5th
19 Jonathan Orr, Mid 5th
20 Willie Reid, Mid 5th
21 Greg Lee, Early 5th
22 Brad Smith, Mid 5th
23 Delanie Walker, Late 5th
24 Jeremy Bloom, Late 5th
25 Miles Austin, Early 6th
26 Ben Obomano, Early 6th
27 Cory Rodgers, Late 6th
28 Anthony Mix, Late 6th
29 Skyler Green, Early 7th
30 Troy Bergeron, Early 7th
31 Domenik Hixon, Mid 7th
32 Marques Colston, Late 7th
33 Chris Hannon, 7th-FA
34 Clinton Solomon, 7th-FA
35 Jovon Bouknight, 7th-FA
36 Ed Hinkel, 7th-FA
37 Adam Jennings, 7th-FA
38 Marques Hagans, 7th-FA
39 Joshua Tinch, 7th-FA
40 David Anderson, 7th-FA
41 Chris Francies, 7th-FA
42 Brian Clark, FA
43 Damarius Bilbo, FA
44 Jason Carter, FA

GENERAL OBSERVATION:

Unlike QB, I think you are under-valuing this position. The class is weak at the top, but I think there will be more 2nd and 3rd round picks than you have graded, and I think there will be more wideouts in general that will be picked.

PLAYER EVALUATIONS:

I like Chad Jackson more than Santonio Holmes, but I can't argue against having Holmes higher.

Martin Nance - I actually have him higher than average on my board at #16 (the average rank for him is 19.6), but man you went way higher. I think that's too high for him--although he is intriguing. Same with Hank Baskett. I like him more than most, but not quite that high.

I'm assuming you just missed Sinorice Moss.

A couple of guys that I'll point out that I like a lot more than you do, Brandon Marshall and Todd Watkins.

Brandon Marshall
WR | (6'4", 229, 4.56) | CENTRAL FLORIDA

Overall: Marshall caught 74 passes for a total of 1,195 yards and 11 touchdowns. Marshall possesses a good blend of size, power and athletic ability. However, he isn't fast enough to consistently beat corners over the top and he lacks the burst to regularly get open underneath. He catches the ball well but he is going to have problems separating from defenders in the NFL as easily as he did at the collegiate level. In our opinion, Marshall can develop into a mismatch as a sub-package possession receiver in the NFL if he is coached well and continues to improve his route running skills. Marshall is a bit of a "sleeper" right now but look for him to come off the board in the fourth-to-fifth round range of the 2006 draft.

Brandon Marshall
Height: 6-4 1/2 | Weight: 229 | 40-Time: 4.55

Strengths:
Has outstanding size with a big frame and knows how to use it...A great natural athlete...Excellent body control and ball skills...Has good hands...Is very tough & physical...Works well across the middle and in traffic...Can create after the catch.

Weaknesses:
Pure speed is only average...Not very quick or explosive...Somewhat of a long strider...Is not a great route runner...Not known to be a hard worker...Has some character / maturity issues and was even suspended at one point in college.

Notes:
Moved from wide receiver to safety in 2004 and then made the switch back the following spring...Gave his stock a huge boost by catching 11 for 210 and 3 touchdowns in the Golden Knights Sheraton Hawaii Bowl loss and then also starring in the Hula Bowl all-star game...Intriguing prospect who is on the rise.

Todd Watkins
WR | (6'2", 202, 4.44) | BYU

Overall: Watkins has a great combination of height, speed and leaping ability, making him a potential vertical threat in the NFL. He shares a lot of similarities with Ashley Lelie (Broncos) when Lelie was at a similar stage of development at Hawaii. Much like Lelie, Watkins must continue to improve his bulk, strength and consistency as a short-to-intermediate route runner. He make take longer to develop in the NFL than most prospects, but he shows enough potential to gamble on in the fourth-round range of the 2006 draft.