Rodgers haters....

[mmmdk]

I'll give McCarthy that it's way too early to dump Rodgers. Rodgers is playing the most difficult position in football and I've got 3 dvd games from Rodgers college time - I keep reminding myself how talented the kid is. He's got the tools but you'll never know untill he's had a season or two under his belt (in the NFL), whether he'll good or bad.

[Packnut]

Rodgers

The whole Rodgers thing comes down to what people have seen without evaluating the reasons for it. First off, no matter what anyone says, Rodgers has done nothing in his pre-season games to give any indication of how good he is. I mean, think about it. Has there even been one throw where we sat back and said, "wow nice pass"? He does what almost EVERY in-experienced QB does. He locks on to his primary and takes off running far to early.

Now on the flip side, let's remember he plays with guys who pretty much suck. The Packers have had a hard enough time finding quality starters let alone back-ups with any talent. Most of the time, Rodgers has had no pass protection. He certainly has had no run game.

I would argue the Falcons second and third stringers have much more talent which make a guy like Schaub look head and shoulders better than Rodgers.

What I'm anxious to see is if Rodgers has learned his lesson. Taking off and running is a recipe for injury. Just ask Vick, Cullpepper, and McNabb to name a few. This pre-season should tell us a lot about Mr Rodgers...

[Merlin]

I agree that this pre-season "should" tell us a lot. However, it isn't like he was playing with scrubs every time he hits the field. It's completely the opposite. He always hits the field with the #1 offense first. Martin and Nall were relegated to the scrubs and even though they had a tough go at it, you could see signs of life. With Rodgers there are no signs of life. Maybe Favre makes our offensive line look good. Even at his age he is still pretty good at feeling the pressure and adjusting/escaping.

Maybe it is taking "longer" than normal for him to get the game down. That's scary to me as well because he doesn't look the part on the field. He doesn't look like he is the field general and that alone is the number one thing a quarterback has to have.

Rodgers needs to prove something and something quick or all we will get for him is a cup of coffee.

[swede]

Wow!

Gureski!

You must have a red Nall phone that rings whenever someone says something nice about Craig Nall. "To the Ratt Cave! Someone is talking stoopid sh!t about Nall again, Robin." lol


I'll agree with you that Rodgers has a much finer pedigree than Nall.

I simply don't see the leadership that even an average quarterback like Matt Hasselbeck showed when he was with us. And I did see a foot bone get snapped on his first chance to relieve Favre.

I'm not a Rodgers hater. He's too vanilla flavored to dislike.

There is a reason not to be suprised if he is the quarterback of the future:
They keep him around and talk nicely about him.

There is a reason not to be surprised if he isn't: When you back up Favre pre-season is your only chance to get your picture taken on the field and get talked about. There's not much to talk about.

[oregonpackfan]

It is possible that Rodgers may be a "Late Bloomer" in terms of his development.

Some of us older fans remember how Steve Young appeared to be a terrible QB when he was thrown into the position of starting QB for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. At the time, Tampa was an inexperience, expansion team and was one of the worst teams in the NFL. As a new QB, Young floundered.

Young ended up with the 49'ers and sat on the bench for a couple of years watching Joe Montana play the position.

When his chance came, Young thrived eventually "Blooming" into becoming an all-Pro QB.

I am not saying Rodgers will necessarily follow Young's path nor am I saying that Rodgers will be a failure. The bottom line is that the guy needs more time for the team to fully assess his abilities.

[Packnut]

1st string

I agree that this pre-season "should" tell us a lot. However, it isn't like he was playing with scrubs every time he hits the field. It's completely the opposite. He always hits the field with the #1 offense first. Martin and Nall were relegated to the scrubs and even though they had a tough go at it, you could see signs of life. With Rodgers there are no signs of life. Maybe Favre makes our offensive line look good. Even at his age he is still pretty good at feeling the pressure and adjusting/escaping.

Maybe it is taking "longer" than normal for him to get the game down. That's scary to me as well because he doesn't look the part on the field. He doesn't look like he is the field general and that alone is the number one thing a quarterback has to have.

Rodgers needs to prove something and something quick or all we will get for him is a cup of coffee.

Our 1st string has'nt had a whole lot of talent either. Remember, our o-line has sucked for 2 straight years. Now before you Colledge, Spitz lovers jump all over me, I'm talking about what we actually saw last season, not about what could be. Both Favre and Rodgers had zero pass protection the last couple of pre-seasons.

[digitaldean]

I agree at the beginning struggled, but overall I think they did well.

The O-line was third in the league in sacks allowed per pass play and we ranked 9th in overall offense.

http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2007/01/15/1/

[pbmax]

Can I nominate this for Post of The Day?!

And can someone get to work on a Nall Phone avatar for Gureski?

Wow!

Gureski!

You must have a red Nall phone that rings whenever someone says something nice about Craig Nall. "To the Ratt Cave! Someone is talking stoopid sh!t about Nall again, Robin." lol

[Packnut]

O Line

I agree at the beginning struggled, but overall I think they did well.

The O-line was third in the league in sacks allowed per pass play and we ranked 9th in overall offense.

http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2007/01/15/1/

Ya gotta remember they were in max protect most of the time so that ranking is meaning-less. MM will use less of that this season so we'll get a better idea of where they stand. Logic dictates they should improve. How much is anyone's guess.

[pbmax]

Re: O Line

Agreed. Someone should ask Bubba Franks about Max Protect and chances to catch the ball. And then get ready to duck.

I agree at the beginning struggled, but overall I think they did well.

The O-line was third in the league in sacks allowed per pass play and we ranked 9th in overall offense.

http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2007/01/15/1/

Ya gotta remember they were in max protect most of the time so that ranking is meaning-less. MM will use less of that this season so we'll get a better idea of where they stand. Logic dictates they should improve. How much is anyone's guess.

[the_idle_threat]

Max protect might affect the sack pct. but it doesn't make the 9th overall offense any less impressive. Especially with division games against the likes of Chicago and Minnesota who had very tough defenses.

[Packnut]

Favre

Max protect might affect the sack pct. but it doesn't make the 9th overall offense any less impressive. Especially with division games against the likes of Chicago and Minnesota who had very tough defenses.

Contrary to what some around here claim, you can thank Mr Favre for that. Patler and vince will tell you that there is no difference between Favre-2005 and Favre 2006.

[Pacopete4]

he just sucks.. he woulda been a great 7th round pick for out #3 QB of the future making league minimum.. hes a product of the system at Cal, we shoulda passed on him like 3/4 of the league did but hinsight is 20/20

[Packnut]

Rodgers

he just sucks.. he woulda been a great 7th round pick for out #3 QB of the future making league minimum.. hes a product of the system at Cal, we shoulda passed on him like 3/4 of the league did but hinsight is 20/20

Someday we'll find out one way or the other. I just hope it's a few years from now!

[retailguy]

Max protect might affect the sack pct. but it doesn't make the 9th overall offense any less impressive. Especially with division games against the likes of Chicago and Minnesota who had very tough defenses.

Max protect is a big reason Bubba had an off year. It remains to be seen at how over the hill he really is. That being said, what makes those who "believe" the 9th offensive ranking right? Have you forgotton the teams GB played last season? Have you forgotton the "threat" that Ahman Green provided opposing defenses? Have you forgotton 200+ rushing yards against AZ? Stats can be easily manipulated.

2 seasons ago, some raved about Bates' defense and some didn't. Those that didn't invariably pointed to the lack of quality of opposing offenses. There was some merit to that.

Additionally, last season Minnesota had a HORRIBLE offense. Yet they had a very good defense. Now we're pointing to our offense improving based upon what they did against Minnesota. However, what impact does it have on the defense when the offense can't do it's job? Doesn't it stand to reason that patience will eventually win that matchup, even when the defense is better than the offense? The ineptitude of the Minnesota offense impacted the manner in which the defense plays. We won the lambeau game by a score of 9-7. The Minnesota offense played inexplicably HORRIBLE. The Packers should have LOST that game, but didn't because Minnesota couldn't score on offense.

Pointing to that game and using it to justify the 9th overall ranking is really shortsighted. Forgetting the impact Ahman Green had on this offense and the manner in which defenses game plan for that offense is shortsighted. Ignoring the "impact" of max protect and stating that the OL is going to be much improved is also shortsighted.

There is no definitive "proof" that the OL has improved. The schedule "down the stretch" last season was not difficult. The Minnesota game probably provided the toughest challenge, I was at that game, in the front row, and it was NOT PRETTY. Chicago got put on their heels early and never got back in the game. Their DL was also pretty beat up that game. Not a fair test either. Next season gives us the 2nd place schedule. Much tougher and much better defenses will be faced in 2007 than in 2006. Look at the matchups. They worry me. A LOT.

You guys are drinking WAY TOO much kool-aid. Hope you're right, don't get me wrong, but there are too many IF's for me to feel comfortable.