Rodgers haters....

[the_idle_threat]

Re: Favre

Max protect might affect the sack pct. but it doesn't make the 9th overall offense any less impressive. Especially with division games against the likes of Chicago and Minnesota who had very tough defenses.

Contrary to what some around here claim, you can thank Mr Favre for that. Patler and vince will tell you that there is no difference between Favre-2005 and Favre 2006.

I agree that Favre had a lot to do with it, but I also agree with the notion that there is no (or very little) difference between Favre's ability in 2005 and in 2006. Favre has declined from what he was ten years ago in his MVP years, but he's still good enough on most days to elevate the offense. He was awful in some games in 2006 (such as the New England game before he got hurt), just as he was in some games in 2005.

I think the big difference between 2005 and 2006 for Favre was that when he was stuck with no receivers in 2005, Sherman let him do whatever he wanted to try and make plays, which resulted in a lot of picks. In 2006, McCarthy kept him more under control, even though at the end of the year he had nobody to throw to again except Driver. That, and the defense stepped up down the stretch against the string of weak opponents, so Favre didn't have to win games by himself.

[woodbuck27]

I saw improvement in Rodgers play last preseason. People forget that. What passer rating does 22 for 38 for 323 yards with 3 TDs and 1 interception equate to?

RE: Aaron Rodgers

and haters? What does that mean?

Does anyone hate Aaron Rodgers?

These are his two season stat's :

They arn't pretty.It would be fair for anyone to doubt his ability to QB the Packers.

A QB Rating of 43.9 ?

ZERO TD's passing and rushing. Questions his productivity

Tackled 6 times for a loss of 46 yards seems to mean that he stays in the pocket.

Three (3) fumbles and three (3) fumbles lost means there is a question of him being able to protect the ball.



# 12 Aaron Rodgers Position: QB Height: 6-2 Weight: 223
Born: 12/02/1983 College: California NFL Experience: 3

Passing
Year Team.. G.. GS. Att C Pct.. Yds.. YPA. Lg. TD. Int.Tkld. 20+. 40+. Rate
05 Packers.. 3... 0.. 16..9.56.3.65.. 4.06. 16.. 0.. 1. 3/28... 0..... 0.... 39.8
06 Packers.. 2... 0.. 15..6.0.0.. 46.. 3.07. 16.. 0.. 0. 3/18... 0.... 0.... 48.2
TOTAL...... 5... 0... 31.15 48. 111. 3.58. 16.. 0.. 1. 6/46... 0... 0..... 43.9


Rushing
Year Team.. G.. GS.. Att.. Yds.. Avg.. Lg.. TD.. 20+.. 1st
05 Packers.. 3... 0.... 2.... 7.... 3.5.... 8.... 0.... 0..... 1
06 Packers.. 2 ...0.... 2... 11... 5.5.... 6.... 0.... 0..... 1
TOTAL...... 5... 0.... 4... 18.... 4.5... 8.... 0..... 0.... 2

Fumbles
Year Team G.. Fum.. Lost
05 Packers 3.... 2...... 2
06 Packers 2.... 1...... 1
TOTAL.... 5.... 3...... 3

[Pacopete4]

i dont hate the guy, i think he is in a crap situation.. but i do think hes a very poor QB. I think he came into a draft where there really was no QB talent coming out which is why he was pushed so high. So big deal, he seems like a nice guy.. we made a mistake.. end it now before we really do get in too deep. Some day we will thank Favre for stayin these extra years when we really see how bad we would have had it

[BobDobbs]

I have to say that I don't think he will be a player of any quality. HOWEVER, TT really must see something in him. Sentimentalism will get a GM fired. TT's job counts on building a team that can win in the twilight of Favre's career and beyond. If he doesn't think that A rod is a real deal backup he would need to look at a replacement.
I guess it will be telling if they draft a QB on the first day.

[the_idle_threat]

I'll address your more coherent points ...

[W]hat makes those who "believe" the 9th offensive ranking right? Have you forgotton the teams GB played last season? Have you forgotton the "threat" that Ahman Green provided opposing defenses? Have you forgotton 200+ rushing yards against AZ? Stats can be easily manipulated.

I'm not sure I "believe" the 9th-overall ranking ... whatever that means ... but I found it surprising and impressive, given the expectations of ruin because we didn't sign a bunch of veteran offensive linemen like Damien Woody and LeCharles Bentley. And when an offense spends so much time in max protect, this takes away receiving options, which should stunt the team's ranking rather than enhance it. I think 9th overall in yards per game is impressive, given expectations and the offensive line situation.

The stats have not been "manipulated"... they are simply raw numbers in yards per game. You could reasonably argue that scoring offense is a better measure than yards per game, because teams win by scoring points rather than tallying yards. But you didn't make that reasonable argument ...

Minnesota had a HORRIBLE offense. Yet they had a very good defense. Now we're pointing to our offense improving based upon what they did against Minnesota. However, what impact does it have on the defense when the offense can't do it's job? Doesn't it stand to reason that patience will eventually win that matchup, even when the defense is better than the offense? The ineptitude of the Minnesota offense impacted the manner in which the defense plays. We won the lambeau game by a score of 9-7. The Minnesota offense played inexplicably HORRIBLE. The Packers should have LOST that game, but didn't because Minnesota couldn't score on offense.

Pointing to that game and using it to justify the 9th overall ranking is really shortsighted.

What are you talking about? The Minnesota game SUPPORTS my point! If we can have games like that, where our offense plays a tough defense and scores few points, plus be shut out by the Bears in the opener and by New England (another top ten defense), and STILL average 9th in the league in total yards per game, then the offense must have done pretty damn well in the other games. And they must have been better than some of us thought if they ended up 9th overall in total offense. That's all I was commenting on.

Forgetting the impact Ahman Green had on this offense and the manner in which defenses game plan for that offense is shortsighted. Ignoring the "impact" of max protect and stating that the OL is going to be much improved is also shortsighted.

There is no definitive "proof" that the OL has improved. The schedule "down the stretch" last season was not difficult. The Minnesota game probably provided the toughest challenge, I was at that game, in the front row, and it was NOT PRETTY. Chicago got put on their heels early and never got back in the game. Their DL was also pretty beat up that game. Not a fair test either. Next season gives us the 2nd place schedule. Much tougher and much better defenses will be faced in 2007 than in 2006. Look at the matchups. They worry me. A LOT.

You are reading WAY too much into what I wrote. I was surprised and impressed to learn that the Packers ranked so high in total offense last season. That's all. I was making NO predictons about how they will do this season. Obviously this is a new season with a different roster.

Believe it or not, I'm also concerned about who will replace Green's production in the lineup, because even though his numbers were not out of this world, he ran with explosion and toughness in a way that the other guys on the roster haven't shown they can. But there's a lot of time before the end of training camp. There will be guys available who can bring that single missing dimension to our running game.

You guys are drinking WAY TOO much kool-aid. Hope you're right, don't get me wrong, but there are too many IF's for me to feel comfortable.

You need to relax big time. Being a football fan is supposed to be fun. If the only way you can have fun is to see your team do EXACTLY what YOU, as a railbird fan, think the team should do, then I suggest that you give up on real football and switch to playing Madden.

[imscott72]

I'm convinced the guy isn't a player.

Rediculous..Guess you should be coaching the team insteam of MM...

[imscott72]

he just sucks...

lmfao...Thanks for backing that statement up with facts..While your at it, throw in your credentials so we know what gives you the qualifications to judge professional QB talent...

[imscott72]

I saw improvement in Rodgers play last preseason. People forget that. What passer rating does 22 for 38 for 323 yards with 3 TDs and 1 interception equate to?

RE: Aaron Rodgers

and haters? What does that mean?

Does anyone hate Aaron Rodgers?

These are his two season stat's :

They arn't pretty.It would be fair for anyone to doubt his ability to QB the Packers.

A QB Rating of 43.9 ?

ZERO TD's passing and rushing. Questions his productivity

Tackled 6 times for a loss of 46 yards seems to mean that he stays in the pocket.

Three (3) fumbles and three (3) fumbles lost means there is a question of him being able to protect the ball.

No comment deserved here...

[imscott72]

You guys are drinking WAY TOO much kool-aid. Hope you're right, don't get me wrong, but there are too many IF's for me to feel comfortable.

You need to relax big time. Being a football fan is supposed to be fun. If the only way you can have fun is to see your team do EXACTLY what YOU, as a railbird fan, think the team should do, then I suggest that you give up on real football and switch to playing Madden.[/quote]

[Guiness]

I'm convinced the guy isn't a player.

Rediculous..Guess you should be coaching the team insteam of MM...

Easy Scott - he's entitled to his opinion w/o being slammed for it. Wist is our well know resident skeptic/pessimist, so it's not like this is out of character.

There's been too many insults bandied around here lately; it's changing the mood of the board.

[Rastak]

I'm convinced the guy isn't a player.

Rediculous..Guess you should be coaching the team insteam of MM...

Easy Scott - he's entitled to his opinion w/o being slammed for it. Wist is our well know resident skeptic/pessimist, so it's not like this is out of character.

There's been too many insults bandied around here lately; it's changing the mood of the board.

I noticed that also.

[vince]

There's been too many insults bandied around here lately; it's changing the mood of the board.

Guiness,

I think it may have started when I became fed up with Packnut a week back or so and I fought back. Packnut attacked me a while back and when he began to attack Patler, I jumped in with both guns blazing.

I apologize for any part I had in this, and I will back off.

To Packnut and Merlin, I apologize.

I still think that everyone should keep their egos in check regarding the belief that their opinions are the ONLY opinion that any intelligent person could arrive at, but to the extent that I've played a part in the mood change, I will back down and move on.

[GBRulz]

Do I need to start sharing my pills with some of you???

[retailguy]

I'll address your more coherent points ...

Yes, this helps change the "mood" of the board. Weren't you "preaching" for calm the other day? I guess it's only if YOU feel there needs to be calm. Also, it sets up my opinion as "minority" and therefore ridiculous.

There's a word for you, it begins with "H" and has nine letters....

You guys are drinking WAY TOO much kool-aid. Hope you're right, don't get me wrong, but there are too many IF's for me to feel comfortable.

You need to relax big time. Being a football fan is supposed to be fun. If the only way you can have fun is to see your team do EXACTLY what YOU, as a railbird fan, think the team should do, then I suggest that you give up on real football and switch to playing Madden.

Never played a game of Madden in my life. Watching the Packers is always fun, even when they lose, but much more fun when they win.

Looking at things before the season starts, with NO running back, many other holes, and a plan most of us cannot figure out is NOT FUN.

Might be better if there was some acknowledgement from the Front Office that this process was going on, that they had a plan, and it was progressing. What we're hearing is that we ARE NOT REBUILDING and all is fine, and WE'RE COMPETITIVE...

I don't believe it, and I hope I'm wrong... But, if I'm not, I'll be only too delighted to tell you that you were wrong..

[wist43]

I'm convinced the guy isn't a player.

Rediculous..Guess you should be coaching the team insteam of MM...

Easy Scott - he's entitled to his opinion w/o being slammed for it. Wist is our well know resident skeptic/pessimist, so it's not like this is out of character.

There's been too many insults bandied around here lately; it's changing the mood of the board.

I noticed that also.

This is great board... good tenor, good debate. There seems to be relatively few teenagers in here - I'd imagine most of our regular posters are over 25 years of age; so the maturity of the regulars keeps things in line.

I know we have a few younger guys in here as well... but, they too, tend to be very mature in their attitudes. It speaks well of them.

Where you get into trouble is when you get teenagers/early twenties kids that aren't capable of engaging in debate... we don't have many of those, thankfully.

Sadly, the "art" of debate is dying in our society... it's alive and well in here though.