Mocks Are Way Off Base With Thompson's Pick

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I like Bowe and Meacham...according to the draftniks, Bowe might be a slight reach at 16. Most draft boards I've seen have Meacham as the #2 WR in the draft, but I think he'll be right around 15-20, with Bowe in the 20-25 range.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if TT drafted a CB/S early. Dendy isn't going to cut it as a nickel CB (or a starting CB if, God Forbid, Harris/Woodson gets hurt) for 16+ games...he's a dime back/ST guy. Same thing for Manuel at the S spot. Underwood & Blackmon? They need to show something first.

It's hard to predict what TT will do, but RB, WR, and CB/S seem (IMO) like the most likely spots to get a lot of attention. OL & DL depth would help, too.

There really is no such thing as a reach IMO (unless of course it is something extreme). If you look at the history of drafts, their is going to be a couple busts in the top ten and their is going to be players who turn out to be studs in the late first. If you really think the player is going to be good, then go for it. For example with Bowe, if TT thinks he's going to be a solid starter then he should draft him and not worry about if he is taking him to early. Unless its possible to trade down, but thats not always the case.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

So, I had a dream last night. Waiting for the Packers pick. at 0:02 left, it was announced that we traded down with the Bears. Bears took Leon Hall...gave us their #31 pick, their 2nd round pick, and their 4th round pick. Unfortunately, I woke up right after the commish said, "With the 31st pick in the 2007 Draft, The Green Bay Packers Select......."


I was pissed.

It must be a sign from above. If I see packers trade with bears on my TV screen on the 28th I will laugh my ass off.

[wist43]

I think TT will draft 2 DT's in the 1st two rounds, then an OT, then a S, then a CB, then a G, then a LB (who will have no chance of making the team, but was Ted's BPA at the time), then he will trade down, and draft 3 punters, 2 more safties, and 5 more OT's.

He will draft every player with the explicit proviso that he is doing so for no other reason than the fact that the team doesn't "need" any of these players.

You'll see... this prediction will go down in predraft history as being "savant-like"!!!! LOL.

Good to be back... golf was great!!! Except of course when it sucked... which was every 4th hole... lost 5 balls on one hole!!! Unbelievable...

[MJZiggy]

If I see packers trade with bears on my TV screen on the 28th I will laugh my ass off.

I will cry.

[Packnut]

Draft

I think TT will draft 2 DT's in the 1st two rounds, then an OT, then a S, then a CB, then a G, then a LB (who will have no chance of making the team, but was Ted's BPA at the time), then he will trade down, and draft 3 punters, 2 more safties, and 5 more OT's.

He will draft every player with the explicit proviso that he is doing so for no other reason than the fact that the team doesn't "need" any of these players.

You'll see... this prediction will go down in predraft history as being "savant-like"!!!! LOL.

Good to be back... golf was great!!! Except of course when it sucked... which was every 4th hole... lost 5 balls on one hole!!! Unbelievable...

Well, if you are "savant-like", and this comes true, a certain GM is gonna get a richly deserved ass whupping. Can someone who lives in GB hold my bail money for me? Also, if it's not to much trouble, asK-Rob how the jail food is up there.........

[woodbuck27]

I too agree that most of the Mocks are wrong about who TT is going to take. Lynch and/or Olsen are everybodies choice because it is by far the biggest "need" that the Packers have right now - RB and TE. Along with that, these guys will probably be available when the Pack picks. Makes sense to the common outsider, but not to some Packer fans because we know how TT works.

Although, I agree that a WR is needed. God knows that from the injury history the past couple years. I still think TT is going to go with defense in the first round. Who that will be is anyone's guess. But if you follow TT's history, it'll be the best player available - probably a CB or DE. I really think that if Revis is available at 16, TT will take him.

I tend to agree with this post.

TT won't draft for 'O' in round one unless possibly he trades down. If he goes with the 16th pick he'll elect to draft on 'D'.

Best player available on HIS board available to build OUR 'D' for the future.

I have never believed that he's in the let's do something to support Brett Favre camp. There is too much evidence to support that belief since he became our future. One day Brett Favre may reveal his true feelings about Ted Thompson? I can't believe they will be positive.

On Ted Thompson and support for Favre and OUR 'O':

If Ted Thompson makes a move soon to acquire Randy Moss then that would be a huge surprize to me. I don't expect that will happen.

Based on that belief and evidence, or his past inactivity on the offensive side of the ball. Why would he try to bring in an impact player on 'O' when that may only inspire or impact Favre's play positively and sustain his desire to play?

Many of you may disagree with me, but that is my position, one that would be very difficult to change now. As I maintain. Based in TT's lack of incentive to help OUR team on 'O' since he was hired.

Seeing this has been frustrating to me as a Packer fan. To use one of the greatest Packer players of all time this way, insults the great tradition and history of the Packer organization.

The worse insult is to Brett Favre who always gives so much. To other's on OUR 'O' who game in and game out can only try their best against the odds.

In really feel that this is Brett Favre's final campaign Packer fans.

So enjoy Favre's final games, as much as Ted Thompson and those behind his hiring and policy's will allow.

[Merlin]

It will go BPA 1st round, WR 2nd.

BPA in who's eyes? Rodgers was the BPA according to TT, remember?

[Merlin]

I agree with you Wood. I still believe that TT wants Favre gone and has since day one. I can understand the mentality to build a good defense but some of that can only happen with good coaching as Bates proved. I think Sanders is a go between guy. If the defense doesn't perform this year, Sanders is out.

I have always believed that with a good sprinkle of a few impact FA's each year and some good draft picks, that your team can be competitive every year. But obviously you have to look at both sides of the ball. Our defense is pretty good going into this draft. Drafting more defense is just ridiculous. Maybe a corner OR a safety, but we are stocked at every other position. Drafting an impact offensive player in the first round would be nice but outside of AP, I don't see one that will help in the first that isn't a QB. Having good backup online and more RB's and WR's in camp is the way to go. Trade down and take 12 players in the 2-7th and let them battle it out.

[Packnut]

Brett

I agree with you Wood. I still believe that TT wants Favre gone and has since day one. I can understand the mentality to build a good defense but some of that can only happen with good coaching as Bates proved. I think Sanders is a go between guy. If the defense doesn't perform this year, Sanders is out.

I have always believed that with a good sprinkle of a few impact FA's each year and some good draft picks, that your team can be competitive every year. But obviously you have to look at both sides of the ball. Our defense is pretty good going into this draft. Drafting more defense is just ridiculous. Maybe a corner OR a safety, but we are stocked at every other position. Drafting an impact offensive player in the first round would be nice but outside of AP, I don't see one that will help in the first that isn't a QB. Having good backup online and more RB's and WR's in camp is the way to go. Trade down and take 12 players in the 2-7th and let them battle it out.

That is where my hostility towards Thompson comes from. The best thing we had going was Brett Favre and Thompson never made 1 move to give him help. Now I do understand the flip side of that coin.

I can totally understand the point of view that he had no choice but to tear this team down and start over. I also understand those who believe building through the draft and for the most part staying out of free agency. Just because there are those of us who believe different, does'nt make that point of view wrong.

However, with all that said, this "debate" will have closure at some point in the next few years. There will be no gray area in this regard. Thompson will leave a legacy of either building a solid long term winning program, or he will be remembered as the one who wasted a great QB's last few years.

The problem is that those of us who believe the second scenario will come true will take no satisfaction in being right because if Teddy fails, we all lose............

[Freak Out]

Bowe with 16? Hell no! We need a WR but not that bad.

[Packnut]

Kiper

Latest from Kiper today. Sounds like he has no clue either to what Teddy will do.




Dan (Oshkosh, WI): What's the latest out of Green Bay? Are they still taking a long look at Marshawn Lynch? Or are Olsen or any of the big name receivers possibilities?

Mel Kiper: It's no guarantee that they'll go after Lynch. They have multiple need areas. They could use a TE. They could go a different route there. Ted Ginn Jr. could be a possibility. Kenny Irons at RB in the second round would be a nice pick.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Weddle is my favorite for a round 2 pick, but I have a feeling he'll be gone by then. The Packers never draft who I like--whether it's Ron Wolf, Mike Sherman, Ted Thompson, or Tom Braatz.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Brett

I agree with you Wood. I still believe that TT wants Favre gone and has since day one. I can understand the mentality to build a good defense but some of that can only happen with good coaching as Bates proved. I think Sanders is a go between guy. If the defense doesn't perform this year, Sanders is out.

I have always believed that with a good sprinkle of a few impact FA's each year and some good draft picks, that your team can be competitive every year. But obviously you have to look at both sides of the ball. Our defense is pretty good going into this draft. Drafting more defense is just ridiculous. Maybe a corner OR a safety, but we are stocked at every other position. Drafting an impact offensive player in the first round would be nice but outside of AP, I don't see one that will help in the first that isn't a QB. Having good backup online and more RB's and WR's in camp is the way to go. Trade down and take 12 players in the 2-7th and let them battle it out.

That is where my hostility towards Thompson comes from. The best thing we had going was Brett Favre and Thompson never made 1 move to give him help. Now I do understand the flip side of that coin.

I can totally understand the point of view that he had no choice but to tear this team down and start over. I also understand those who believe building through the draft and for the most part staying out of free agency. Just because there are those of us who believe different, does'nt make that point of view wrong.

However, with all that said, this "debate" will have closure at some point in the next few years. There will be no gray area in this regard. Thompson will leave a legacy of either building a solid long term winning program, or he will be remembered as the one who wasted a great QB's last few years.

The problem is that those of us who believe the second scenario will come true will take no satisfaction in being right because if Teddy fails, we all lose............

DAM !

I sometimes wonder just how great Favre could have been if he had more offensive talent with him (more weapons). I know that he's only one player on the team but he's really so special in my view. He's also what is needed in terms of that franchise QB. . .still.

Favre has needed something more not just something.

Football is alot different than other PRO sports like baseball,hockey or basketball, where the Superstar may carry the day.

That pool of talented offensive players really isn't large when you consider the size of the roster? Yet all teams must experience the same adversity and challenges. Still it comes down to a numbers game with 32 players on both sides of the ball and building the best team possible plus the reserves.

After that it's all PLAN B.

It comes down to the proper scheme and solid dedicated coaching in a venue attractive to players that hunger to win a ring.

Players that want to be in Green Bay as FA's with a good QB (gone with TT's ways), a solid coaching staff (maybe that will develop) and FA's that have trust or believe in the organizations GM (see the top of this sentence).

I am guilty of not seeing the Ted Thompson way since he came. He's a difficult man to warm up to. He's building a reputation as a laisse faire type, a shrewd man with the money. He makes no promises and no rhetoric of hope. He says the same stuff over and over to defend his inactivity and whats really scarry to me is maybe he really believes his way is the way?

Until the better players believe his way is best we'll not go far and the way it now appears. He's staking alot of himself in Aaron Rodgers. Uhhhhh !!

Why ??

12-20 with Brett Favre certainly speaks mountains of his upcoming challenge. It behoves me why he's so frustrating or dull in his approach to allowing us to really challenge while we have Favre aboard!?

Especially given, that Brett Favre has never surrendered his will to win.

[Bretsky]

Weddle is my favorite for a round 2 pick, but I have a feeling he'll be gone by then. The Packers never draft who I like--whether it's Ron Wolf, Mike Sherman, Ted Thompson, or Tom Braatz.

AJ Hawk; that one broke the trend last year.

[Packnut]

Bowe

It look's like good ole Todd M and I are seeing the same thing. I love it when one of the "experts" agree with me!


• WR Dwayne Bowe, LSU: Bowe will not get drafted as high as he should for two reasons. First, his 40-yard dash times at the combine were adequate but not good. Second, this year's class is loaded with talented wide receivers. As far as I'm concerned, Bowe plays faster than his 40 time indicates. He's a solidly built and physical receiver whose hands have markedly improved since he underwent Lasik eye surgery before the 2006 season. Calvin Johnson (Georgia Tech) is in a league of his own, but don't be surprised if Bowe emerges as the second-best pro receiver in this class, even if Ted Ginn Jr. (Ohio State) and Robert Meachem (Tennessee) come off the board before him.
• DE Anthony Spencer, Purdue: There's obviously concern that Spencer is a one-year wonder. He recorded 26.5 tackles for loss and 10.5 sacks as a senior after notching only 17 tackles for loss and 11 sacks in the previous three years combined. My view is that the light finally came on for Spencer in 2006. He has an outstanding combination of speed, athleticism and upper-body power. Spencer is expected to drop to the second round due to the outrageous amount of talent at the defensive end position this year. The team that stops his draft-day slide could end up with the NFL's rookie sack leader in 2007.
• WR Anthony Gonzalez, Ohio State: Ginn Jr. has the speed and flash. He also got more opportunities as the focus of the Buckeyes passing attack. However, when QB Troy Smith was in a bind, he instinctively looked Gonzalez's way, signaling his trust in Ohio State's secondary target. Gonzalez will never be a premier No. 1 receiver in the NFL, but I think he will quickly emerge as a reliable No. 2. That's worth early Round 2 consideration in my book.
• ILB David Harris, Michigan: Harris did not emerge as a starter until his junior season in 2005, which helps explain why he has been such a late-riser in the draft process. He lacks ideal fluidity and still has room to improve in terms of his coverage skills. However, Harris is an instinctive defender with an underrated combination of size, strength, toughness and straight-line speed. This year's inside linebacker class is short on depth, which helps Harris' cause. He's the second-best prospect at the position after Ole Miss' Patrick Willis, and it won't surprise me a bit to hear him compared to DeMeco Ryans (Texans) during the 2007 NFL season.
• CB Daymeion Hughes, Cal: There's no denying that Hughes' 40 times at the combine (high 4.6s, low 4.7s) were atrocious. However, he improved his times at Cal's pro day, and his straight-line speed can be masked if he is used properly at the next level. For a team employing a scheme heavy in Cover 2, Hughes could be a steal in the third or fourth round, where he's currently projected. He is aggressive versus the run and is a natural playmaker who notched 13 interceptions during his last two seasons.