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    For some time there has been optimistic speculation that the Packers might be able to pull of a Denver Broncos-like feat, and surround an ageing Brett Favre with a talented cast, particularly a zone-blocking running scheme that will take all the pressure off Favre, thus springboarding Favre to a great final hurrah, celebrated after a Superbowl victory.

    Physically Favre may still be capable of such a feat. after all, John elway had (at the time) the worst QB rating of a victorious QB in SBXXXII. So why not Brett Favre. Well, there are two reasons.

    Simply put, the Packers have nowhere near the horses (pun intended) that the Broncos had on offense in 1998. Not only do they have just one proven talent on offense in the playmaking category (Driver), but they dispensed with their only other talents, Green and Martin. Martin, although unreliable as far as injury was concerned, had succeeded last year in providing an alternative target when Jennings' ankle limited his speed and mobility. teams were able to focus on Driver and without Martin, the Packer offense was stagnant. Green was over the hill, but current running back Morency and Herron can't even locate the hill on Mapquest. Unless Thompson pulls off some minor miracle in the draft or finds a gem in the June 1 cutdown refuse, their will be zero talent on offense.

    Now to Favre. Favre showed last year that he can still play. But interestingly, his play was inconsistent not so much within games but from game to game. It appeared that he would have up and down games. This variable play also seemed to directly correlate with games following difficult (physically) previous games. What this suggests is that Favre will probably not fade like other QBs, who lose it all at once and can't play. Rather, it's more likely that he'll have good and bad games, depending on whether he's more or less banged up from the previous week. If he really starts to go, he may have stretches of games where he plays porly, interspersed with solid performances.

    Last year, Favre's worst stretch resulted from the combination of three things: 1) Difficult opposition, 2) Loss of playmakers/critical players, 3) Physical problems. In no game was this more apparent that against New England. The competition was difficult - the Patriots are a talented team with a superb coach and QB, while GB had an unproven coach and no talent. GB was missing Martin and Tausher and Jennings (as much as he could play) was essentially nullified with a bum ankle. Finally, Favre had a pulled groin from practice. The combination of these factors made the Packers look like a scrimmage partner for the Patriots.

    So, it's likely that this year will bring more of the same. Favre, when he's rested and healty, should be able to beat up on pathetic team like Detroit, but without any talent, and the certainty of dips in performance due to the rigors of age, Favre will likely have at least several solid stinkers this season. So it won't be a terrible fade where fans will have to look the other way the entire season, but there will be a collection of games (the guess here is 3-6) where people will wonder why Favre returned. And there will absolutely be no glorious finale at the Superbowl. The Packers will finish week seventeen a dismal 6-10. Favre will retire with a quiet whimper.

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    Favre

    The sad thing is it did'nt have to be this way, and I agree with your prediction.

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    • #3
      A 6-10 record may be generously optimistic Mr. Crusty merely based on Ted Thompson's off season to date.

      We are definitely in it Vs. Detroit and Minny (say three wins there) and toss in a win Vs. Oakland. That's just four.

      Ted Thompson has to hit it on at least 2 picks next weekend; and we need an experienced playmaker brought in and come through for us on the 'O', to realistically hope for a successful season.

      What does this ultimately seem now to add up to?

      Yes unfortunately.

      All signs indicate that this may well be Brett Favre's final season.

      but what of his desire to compete and win and simply play football?

      A contrary route. or to play 'the Devil'.

      Brett Favre decides to shove it in Ted Thompson's face having signed to play for the Packers through what? . . . 2011. He's convinced by his agent that certain teams would love to have him. Compete with them in a system ready to win.

      Favre asks for a trade to give him one more real shot at a ring.

      As they say:

      '' It's not over - till it's over ''.
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      • #4
        Re: Favre will go out with a whimper

        Originally posted by Cleft Crusty
        . Favre will retire with a quiet whimper.
        people have been saying this for the last 6 years. i'd bet favre plays out his contract.
        Think I'll roll another number for the road.
        I HATE everything about the Minnesota Vikings

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        • #5
          i agree with the 6-10 (maybe worse) prediction. i mentioned in an earlier post in another thread that the only thing to look forward to this upcoming season was Brett putting marino in his rear-view mirror.

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          • #6
            Ya, I can see him "going out with a whimper', after owning all the major q-back records.....
            The Bottom Line:
            Formally Numb, same person, same views of M3

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            • #7
              Good point. I'm sure no one will notice...
              "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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              • #8
                Pardon me? Old #4 is going out fighting, the Packers may not win it all in the end but he will not go out with a whimper. Barring any major injuries I still think the Packers will surprise us all this year.
                C.H.U.D.

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                • #9
                  Re: Favre will go out with a whimper

                  Originally posted by Cleft Crusty
                  For some time there has been optimistic speculation that the Packers might be able to pull of a Denver Broncos-like feat, and surround an ageing Brett Favre with a talented cast, particularly a zone-blocking running scheme that will take all the pressure off Favre, thus springboarding Favre to a great final hurrah, celebrated after a Superbowl victory.

                  Physically Favre may still be capable of such a feat. after all, John elway had (at the time) the worst QB rating of a victorious QB in SBXXXII. So why not Brett Favre. Well, there are two reasons.

                  Simply put, the Packers have nowhere near the horses (pun intended) that the Broncos had on offense in 1998. Not only do they have just one proven talent on offense in the playmaking category (Driver), but they dispensed with their only other talents, Green and Martin. Martin, although unreliable as far as injury was concerned, had succeeded last year in providing an alternative target when Jennings' ankle limited his speed and mobility. teams were able to focus on Driver and without Martin, the Packer offense was stagnant. Green was over the hill, but current running back Morency and Herron can't even locate the hill on Mapquest. Unless Thompson pulls off some minor miracle in the draft or finds a gem in the June 1 cutdown refuse, their will be zero talent on offense.

                  Now to Favre. Favre showed last year that he can still play. But interestingly, his play was inconsistent not so much within games but from game to game. It appeared that he would have up and down games. This variable play also seemed to directly correlate with games following difficult (physically) previous games. What this suggests is that Favre will probably not fade like other QBs, who lose it all at once and can't play. Rather, it's more likely that he'll have good and bad games, depending on whether he's more or less banged up from the previous week. If he really starts to go, he may have stretches of games where he plays porly, interspersed with solid performances.

                  Last year, Favre's worst stretch resulted from the combination of three things: 1) Difficult opposition, 2) Loss of playmakers/critical players, 3) Physical problems. In no game was this more apparent that against New England. The competition was difficult - the Patriots are a talented team with a superb coach and QB, while GB had an unproven coach and no talent. GB was missing Martin and Tausher and Jennings (as much as he could play) was essentially nullified with a bum ankle. Finally, Favre had a pulled groin from practice. The combination of these factors made the Packers look like a scrimmage partner for the Patriots.

                  So, it's likely that this year will bring more of the same. Favre, when he's rested and healty, should be able to beat up on pathetic team like Detroit, but without any talent, and the certainty of dips in performance due to the rigors of age, Favre will likely have at least several solid stinkers this season. So it won't be a terrible fade where fans will have to look the other way the entire season, but there will be a collection of games (the guess here is 3-6) where people will wonder why Favre returned. And there will absolutely be no glorious finale at the Superbowl. The Packers will finish week seventeen a dismal 6-10. Favre will retire with a quiet whimper.
                  Very plausible. One can only hope it turns out differently; what are the odds though!? You need playmakers; Packers don't have them.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Freak Out
                    Pardon me? Old #4 is going out fighting, the Packers may not win it all in the end but he will not go out with a whimper. Barring any
                    major injuries I still think the Packers will surprise us all this year.
                    6-10 will surprise "a lot" of us, here, no?

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                    • #11
                      I don't think we'll be 6-10 bad. Teams usually do well because their 2nd and 3rd year players improve a lot, and the Packers are team that could see a jump because of it. They need to draft two solid starters, and fill a couple of other secondary needs in the offseason, but I'm not expecting a horrible year.
                      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                        I don't think we'll be 6-10 bad. Teams usually do well because their 2nd and 3rd year players improve a lot, and the Packers are team that could see a jump because of it. They need to draft two solid starters, and fill a couple of other secondary needs in the offseason, but I'm not expecting a horrible year.
                        I agree; I expect a similar record to last year but a better team. I never expected it to get turned around overnight but if they go 8-8 against a tough schedule it will show that they are ready for the next step and they have a ton of flexibility to keep getting better.
                        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                        • #13
                          Red Zone

                          I just don't see how 8-8 is any kind of an accomplishment. Screw the schedule. If we're to believe Teddy is doing a good job, then there should be improvment record wise from year to year.

                          It's all well and good to believe in fairy tales, but the truth is this team has had a hard time in the red zone 3 straight years in a row. Until something is done to change that trend, we're going no where. May-be i missed something, but there has not been 1 damn thing done to fix the problem.

                          Perhaps that will change in the draft or from a trade, but right now NOTHING has changed.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GregJennings
                            Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                            I don't think we'll be 6-10 bad. Teams usually do well because their 2nd and 3rd year players improve a lot, and the Packers are team that could see a jump because of it. They need to draft two solid starters, and fill a couple of other secondary needs in the offseason, but I'm not expecting a horrible year.
                            I agree; I expect a similar record to last year but a better team. I never expected it to get turned around overnight but if they go 8-8 against a tough schedule it will show that they are ready for the next step and they have a ton of flexibility to keep getting better.
                            It'll be tough to be a better team without Ahman Green at RB.

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                            • #15
                              I'm really looking forward to the season. Like HW said above; players tend to improve most from 1st to 2nd year or 2nd to 3rd year and the Packers have a lot of those guys.

                              I'm open to the possiblity that the Packers don't make progress but I saw a lot of promise in many of their young guys and I think there is a good chance that we have some big performance from some guys that we're not used to seeing. The Packers had to eventually turn over and the time is now.
                              Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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