Favre will go out with a whimper

[prsnfoto]

Favre keeps this team somewhat competitive all by himself. You don't need 21 other "weapons" to win some games and get to the playoffs. You probably sit about 4 guys short at this point. You definitely need a top flight running back, a better starting FB, at least a third WR, a better starting Safety, and perhaps a KR. Ok, that's 5, so sue me...

That's what I find frustrating...

You forgot a TE sorry to rain on your parade you were starting to be opptimistic for a second. 7-9,8-8,9-7 all possible the guy who said 10-6 please pass the bong I need some of that shit.

[Packnut]

Re: Last 4 Games

Just a couple of comments....

Look, I hate being negative but you have to be realistic and use some logic here. Some here act like it's a given our O lne improves. It's not. Go back and look at some games last year. Our line was THOROUGHLY dominated. You just can't have a convenient memory lapse and forget about those games. It's logical to expect a small amount of improvment but not the giant steps some here are expecting. The odds of getting through the entire season with our starters playing every game is just about ZERO and no one can make a case we have any depth.

Can you IMAGINE what would have happened over the course of the entire season, WITHOUT a back like Ahman Green behind that Oline? How about a Quarterback who's name was NOT Brett Favre? Oh yeah, we saw that one, his name was Aaron Rodgers and he broke his foot in less than a half of action...

Thank God we had Ahman Green last year, say what you all want about him being in decline... There is ample proof that he was the ONLY one that could run CONSISTENTLY behind our OL. 1,059 yards behind that line was a freaking MIRACLE, and something he should be VERY proud of.

There is a disturbing trend on this board that guys like Bresky, retail-guy and myself just to name a few are called negative and pessimists. We've been given the label as "Thompson bashers". Well, there is a helluva lot more evidence on our side about where the Packers are at then the kool-aid drinkers. Yes, no doubt the Packers are trending upwards. That's not in dispute. But let's also remember this team was at the bottom and there was no where to go but up.

The sad part is I actually like Ted Thompson. I appreciate his determination and his wherewithal to stick with what he believes. I simply disagree with the "short term" portion of his plan. I think we could bring in a few guys to make this a more competitive team while he "retools" the long term plan and talent level, and "take a chance" that this team could catch fire in Favre's last couple of years.

Favre keeps this team somewhat competitive all by himself. You don't need 21 other "weapons" to win some games and get to the playoffs. You probably sit about 4 guys short at this point. You definitely need a top flight running back, a better starting FB, at least a third WR, a better starting Safety, and perhaps a KR. Ok, that's 5, so sue me...

That's what I find frustrating...

Thompson does have the right philosophy about building through the draft and not loading up on free agents. His problem though is that free agency is a big part of today's NFL and you just can't ignore it. He also is right about keeping your own, although his biggest mistake is turning out to be the most costly.

This is a different team with Walker on it. Yeah, it's water under the bridge and beating a dead horse, but still a huge mistake is a huge mistake. Things would look totally different from an offensive point of view had Teddy not has his head up his ass on that one. He let Denver abuse him on that trade and I noticed in the same situation, NE got a first for Branch. No excuse for this kinda screw-up. No one is gonna convince me Teddy is some kind of genious cause a genious does'n t make mistakes, and Teddy has made his fair share!

[packerbacker1234]

Yeah our line blowed ballz

When Miree started, we averaged 145 rushing yards a game.

Favre again was int he top 3 least sacked QB's in the league.

Morency seemed to have no problem find the ten yard holes.

Green had 1000+ rushing yards.

I think our line showed MAJOR improvement. Why, against he bears at the end, were we able to pick them apart? We sent more out on routes and left the basic 5 man line to do the heavy blocking. They did just fine. You can say they didn't try, but go say to lovey's face. If they didn't try he'll kick everyone off the roster. In a interview done less then a year ago he said even with GB's struggles, beating the packers is almost better then winning hte super bowl.

Too bad they still have no answer for Favre at soldier field.

[Packnut]

Line

Yeah our line blowed ballz

When Miree started, we averaged 145 rushing yards a game.

Favre again was int he top 3 least sacked QB's in the league.

Morency seemed to have no problem find the ten yard holes.

Green had 1000+ rushing yards.

I think our line showed MAJOR improvement. Why, against he bears at the end, were we able to pick them apart? We sent more out on routes and left the basic 5 man line to do the heavy blocking. They did just fine. You can say they didn't try, but go say to lovey's face. If they didn't try he'll kick everyone off the roster. In a interview done less then a year ago he said even with GB's struggles, beating the packers is almost better then winning hte super bowl.

Too bad they still have no answer for Favre at soldier field.

The problem is that there were many more instances of our line being dominated. The 1st Bears game, Buffalo, NE, NY and twice against Minny just to name a few.

[woodbuck27]

I'm surprised at the level of pessimism in here. The only thing I can agree with is that there is no superbowl on the cards.

But 6-10? You've got to be kidding! If we do worse than 10-6, I'll eat MY hat. I expect us to do a bit better, frankly.

Call them rose coloured glasses if you like - I'll just say you're wearing those mirror sunglasses... AND wearing them inside out.

Ehh ! Terry.

Nice to see you post again.

[woodbuck27]

Nowhere does the guy mention there was a new coaching staff, new zone blocking scheme, and that 5 rookie draft picks started last year. He also didn't mention all the dropped passes when Brett hit them right in the hands, Bubba comes to mind. Hell, I thought Favre would've retired rather than going through all that, he doesn't need the money. They still improved over the 4-12 season the previous year, few posters here going into the season thought the Packers would go 8-8. This year the coaching staff & rookies will be in their 2nd year, hopefully TT will draft some young talent who can fit into their system, and they can draft a WR & TE who can catch the friggen ball when Favre whistles it to them. Favre isn't the problem, the rest of the team need to step it up. I agree with Terry, if the Packers do less than 10-6 this year I'll be suprised. Look at the NFC North:
Bears: Grossman? He can't carry Favre's jockstrap.
viqueens: They are going from bad to worse.
Lions: They are just messed up, why is Millen still there?

There rest of the schedule I'll admit is fairly tough, but there are question marks. Philly isn't as strong as they used to be, KC will probably trade Trent Green, and the Chargers will be hurting if they trade Turner and LT gets hurt. Who thought the Saints would do so well going into last season?

I think Favre played well last year, and proved he's still got it. If TT has a good draft with his 9 picks I don't think a Wild Card Playoff spot is out the the question.

You make good points all around. Yet how many are in the Packers own destiny?

Your saying that there are many factors that could go the Packers way.

We still need this:

I just hope that soon TT steps it up to do something positive to set our 'O' in the right direction.

Of course he won't.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Re: Favre will go out with a whimper

For some time there has been optimistic speculation that the Packers might be able to pull of a Denver Broncos-like feat, and surround an ageing Brett Favre with a talented cast, particularly a zone-blocking running scheme that will take all the pressure off Favre, thus springboarding Favre to a great final hurrah, celebrated after a Superbowl victory.

Physically Favre may still be capable of such a feat. after all, John elway had (at the time) the worst QB rating of a victorious QB in SBXXXII. So why not Brett Favre. Well, there are two reasons.

Simply put, the Packers have nowhere near the horses (pun intended) that the Broncos had on offense in 1998. Not only do they have just one proven talent on offense in the playmaking category (Driver), but they dispensed with their only other talents, Green and Martin. Martin, although unreliable as far as injury was concerned, had succeeded last year in providing an alternative target when Jennings' ankle limited his speed and mobility. teams were able to focus on Driver and without Martin, the Packer offense was stagnant. Green was over the hill, but current running back Morency and Herron can't even locate the hill on Mapquest. Unless Thompson pulls off some minor miracle in the draft or finds a gem in the June 1 cutdown refuse, their will be zero talent on offense.

Now to Favre. Favre showed last year that he can still play. But interestingly, his play was inconsistent not so much within games but from game to game. It appeared that he would have up and down games. This variable play also seemed to directly correlate with games following difficult (physically) previous games. What this suggests is that Favre will probably not fade like other QBs, who lose it all at once and can't play. Rather, it's more likely that he'll have good and bad games, depending on whether he's more or less banged up from the previous week. If he really starts to go, he may have stretches of games where he plays porly, interspersed with solid performances.

Last year, Favre's worst stretch resulted from the combination of three things: 1) Difficult opposition, 2) Loss of playmakers/critical players, 3) Physical problems. In no game was this more apparent that against New England. The competition was difficult - the Patriots are a talented team with a superb coach and QB, while GB had an unproven coach and no talent. GB was missing Martin and Tausher and Jennings (as much as he could play) was essentially nullified with a bum ankle. Finally, Favre had a pulled groin from practice. The combination of these factors made the Packers look like a scrimmage partner for the Patriots.

So, it's likely that this year will bring more of the same. Favre, when he's rested and healty, should be able to beat up on pathetic team like Detroit, but without any talent, and the certainty of dips in performance due to the rigors of age, Favre will likely have at least several solid stinkers this season. So it won't be a terrible fade where fans will have to look the other way the entire season, but there will be a collection of games (the guess here is 3-6) where people will wonder why Favre returned. And there will absolutely be no glorious finale at the Superbowl. The Packers will finish week seventeen a dismal 6-10. Favre will retire with a quiet whimper.

It is just a crying shame......

[swede]

Re: Favre will go out with a whimper

Favre, when he's rested and healty, should be able to beat up on pathetic team like Detroit...

Detroit being pathetic looks a bit like old news. Poor Cleft. He's getting his nose rubbed in it now.

The Packers will finish week seventeen a dismal 6-10. Favre will retire with a quiet whimper.

Wasn't there also an ESPN writer whose nose we need to rub in some sh!t he wrore about Favre as well? I'd appreciate it if the loyal rat who posted that article could find it and bump it. I'd love to send it back to that blowhole.

[Zool]

Some great stuff in these threads.

Just dont dig up the threads where I thought B-Jax was going to be worth a shit.

[cpk1994]

Re: Favre will go out with a whimper

Favre, when he's rested and healty, should be able to beat up on pathetic team like Detroit...

Detroit being pathetic looks a bit like old news. Poor Cleft. He's getting his nose rubbed in it now.

The Packers will finish week seventeen a dismal 6-10. Favre will retire with a quiet whimper.

Wasn't there also an ESPN writer whose nose we need to rub in some sh!t he wrore about Favre as well? I'd appreciate it if the loyal rat who posted that article could find it and bump it. I'd love to send it back to that blowhole.

While you are at it, you should dig up the draft day footage lf Steve Young tearing into TT about not giving Favre weapons and rub his nose in that.

[4and12to12and4]

I love archives.

[Deputy Nutz]

Archives can make you look like a fucking idiot.

[Pacopete4]

cleftycrust is dogshit.. or whatever the hell his name is, doesnt even matter cuz hes trash at what he does... proven over and over again.. where are your bears u piece of dogshit

[RashanGary]

Retailguy really looks like an angry retard. Oh wait, that goes without saying


Just kidding old chap :P

[Rastak]

cleftycrust is dogshit.. or whatever the hell his name is, doesnt even matter cuz hes trash at what he does... proven over and over again.. where are your bears u piece of dogshit

Very eloquently stated. You do understand hyperbole?