Official 2007 Live Draft Thread

[Merlin]

It isn't only MY opinion, it is the opinion of many many many people.

I'd like to see the MANY MANY MANY people who said Thompson was foolish to not take Brady Quinn at #16.

Please Merlin...indulge me.

I am not arguing with you anymore. You can't read. On this board alone there are people. The talking heads on TV, etc.

Isn't it past your bedtime?

[Partial]

Merlin and Leaper - start another thread or something, I'm tired of reading your constant pickering back and forth. :P

Sounds like me and Merlin. Somehow, I always turned out to look like the bad guy. Oh well. It's all water.

[Partial]

Re: Clayton

And this from Clayton on the losers in this draft:




3. Brett Favre -- for now: Favre came back from potential retirement for a playoff run, but he's waiting for a big push from the Packers' personnel department. The wait netted him backup cornerback Frank Walker in free agency. That's it. Unless he was cutting the grass on his tractor, Favre might have been sitting around waiting for the Packers to acquire a big, fast receiver like Robert Meachem or find the running back to replace Ahman Green, who left for Houston to reunite with former Packers head coach Mike Sherman. The first round gave him defensive tackle Justin Harrell, a good lineman who fills a need. Brandon Jackson, a running back from Nebraska, went to the Packers in the second round but many thought he would go in the third, just like Green did years ago. Don't get me wrong: Jackson is a good sleeper back, better than people think. He's tough, he runs hard, and he should help. But sleepers may not wake up a quarterback waiting for greatness. Sounds to me like the Packers need to make that final push to get Randy Moss to satisfy Favre. That could happen Sunday. Favre might stop weeding the garden for that.

Yes, but if this guy is a stud then we will have a top 5 D. I am hopeful he turns out to be a stud.

[Tony Oday]

Sorry Tony...I'm talking credible guys in the media who are talking to scouts and team officials.

I can't recall seeing one single person critical of Thompson for not taking Quinn.

I think any argument claiming that TT is foolish for not taking BPA because Quinn was the guy you thought was BPA at #16 is ridiculous. The guy fell 22 spots. Thompson did not reach for a player at a position of need.

All signs point to the fact that Thompson did in fact that the guy he felt was the BPA at #16. You may disagree with his assessment, but to openly question why people aren't jumping Thompson's ass for not taking the BPA over Brady Quinn is ridiculous.

lol I dont think the experts are that credible Hey I like the pick in retrospect for the franchise but for Favre it sucked balls. I think that is why people dont like the pick.

However a good defence is what a team needs for a playoff push

[Merlin]

Sorry Tony...I'm talking credible guys in the media who are talking to scouts and team officials.

I can't recall seeing one single person critical of Thompson for not taking Quinn.

I think any argument claiming that TT is foolish for not taking BPA because Quinn was the guy you thought was BPA at #16 is ridiculous. The guy fell 22 spots. Thompson did not reach for a player at a position of need.

All signs point to the fact that Thompson did in fact that the guy he felt was the BPA at #16. You may disagree with his assessment, but to openly question why people aren't jumping Thompson's ass for not taking the BPA over Brady Quinn is ridiculous.

Aaron Rodgers fell farther then that and we took him. If you would learn to read, you would see that I posted two options for us, Quinn was only one of them unless you think 1 option = 2. You could, your logic so far has been to attack anyone you don't agree with and make things up.

[falco]

Re: Clayton

And this from Clayton on the losers in this draft:




3. Brett Favre -- for now: Favre came back from potential retirement for a playoff run, but he's waiting for a big push from the Packers' personnel department. The wait netted him backup cornerback Frank Walker in free agency. That's it. Unless he was cutting the grass on his tractor, Favre might have been sitting around waiting for the Packers to acquire a big, fast receiver like Robert Meachem or find the running back to replace Ahman Green, who left for Houston to reunite with former Packers head coach Mike Sherman. The first round gave him defensive tackle Justin Harrell, a good lineman who fills a need. Brandon Jackson, a running back from Nebraska, went to the Packers in the second round but many thought he would go in the third, just like Green did years ago. Don't get me wrong: Jackson is a good sleeper back, better than people think. He's tough, he runs hard, and he should help. But sleepers may not wake up a quarterback waiting for greatness. Sounds to me like the Packers need to make that final push to get Randy Moss to satisfy Favre. That could happen Sunday. Favre might stop weeding the garden for that.

Yes, but if this guy is a stud then we will have a top 5 D. I am hopeful he turns out to be a stud.

Partial, I agree. I know very little of Harrell, but I know what a stud DT can do for a defense...and combined with the front 7 we have right now, a stud DT could make us look really good.

I'm trusting in TT that Harrell was the BPA.

[The Leaper]

Do you even know what Rodgers cap number is? Do you know his salary? Do you know that he doesn't get paid shit? He doesn't make shit until he becomes the starter. Cutting him is not a major cap hit and Quinn would get a similar contract. His signing bonus was small and he got a big bonus in 2006 (I believe) but even that wasn't a cap killer. So YES, we could have all three and the cap would be fine. However, we would trade one of them. AS far as round value, what kind of value do we get for the guy we drafted #1 if he is a bust? It's all a gamble.

He's got $3M in bonus money remaining to be prorated.

There is no way in hell Thompson is throwing away $3M in cap space to dump Rodgers right now...and he would be incredibly foolish to do so over a QB who fell just as far as Rodgers and faced many of the same knocks (shaky accuracy, lack of arm strength) as a draft prospect.

Jumping Thompson ass for passing on Brady Quinn is stupid. I can fully understand people wanting him to take someone in a position of NEED (WR, TE) but I can't see one bit of reason in the Quinn argument.

[Merlin]

Merlin and Leaper - start another thread or something, I'm tired of reading your constant pickering back and forth. :P

Sounds like me and Merlin. Somehow, I always turned out to look like the bad guy. Oh well. It's all water.

I bring out the best in people .

[Merlin]

Do you even know what Rodgers cap number is? Do you know his salary? Do you know that he doesn't get paid shit? He doesn't make shit until he becomes the starter. Cutting him is not a major cap hit and Quinn would get a similar contract. His signing bonus was small and he got a big bonus in 2006 (I believe) but even that wasn't a cap killer. So YES, we could have all three and the cap would be fine. However, we would trade one of them. AS far as round value, what kind of value do we get for the guy we drafted #1 if he is a bust? It's all a gamble.

He's got $3M in bonus money remaining to be prorated.

There is no way in hell Thompson is throwing away $3M in cap space to dump Rodgers right now...and he would be incredibly foolish to do so over a QB who fell just as far as Rodgers and faced many of the same knocks (shaky accuracy, lack of arm strength) as a draft prospect.

Jumping Thompson ass for passing on Brady Quinn is stupid. I can fully understand people wanting him to take someone in a position of NEED (WR, TE) but I can't see one bit of reason in the Quinn argument.

And humping Thompson's ass without reading what I have already posted is STUPID. I swear you don't read what you write...

[falco]

Q: Marsha of Dallas - I read the analysis about Justin Herrell, and maybe they did take a talent over need. Do you think they should have applied that philosophy to pick Brady Quinn? Many think he is a better prospect overall than Rogers. Did TT drop the ball this year or what?

A: Tom Silverstein - Marsha -- You wanted to take take Brady Quinn over Harrell. I think Quinn went exactly where he should have. No one but his agent and ESPN were touting him as a top 10 pick, so I don't see him as an option. You've got to find out about Rodgers and taking another quarterback would be a fireable offense.

[Bretsky]

Re: Opinion

Gee, look's like others who make a living covering the Packers are less than thrilled also. But, then what does he know right?




http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.../70428060/1989

Were you thrilled with Greg Jennings, though? Will you admit he was a pleasant surprise. In TT I trust.

I will admit I was wrong on Jennings and TT was right
I will say I was right on Corey Rodgers and TT was wrong

That's why it's fun to throw our GM wanna be views out there and see what happens

[HarveyWallbangers]

A lot of the same guys that rip Thompson are ripping him now. A lot of the same guys that have supported him (I'll include myself because I've been a strong proponent of his drafts) are not unhappy at all with the draft, so far.

[The Leaper]

Aaron Rodgers fell farther then that and we took him. If you would learn to read, you would see that I posted two options for us, Quinn was only one of them unless you think 1 option = 2. You could, your logic so far has been to attack anyone you don't agree with and make things up.

We took Rodgers because we did not have another guy behind Favre who was a starting talent caliber QB.

With Rodgers on the roster, we do not need to take ANOTHER QB simply because he is tumbling down the draft board.

Where have I made anything up? I'm posting the facts on the situation...you are the one making up stuff such as the MANY, MANY, MANY people who agree with your take on Brady Quinn.

[Merlin]

I'm out of here. I have things to do and GM's to bitch about. 3 Mil prorated over "years" is peanuts in the NFL. No real cap hit, but wtf do I know about math?

[chain_gang]

I don't know about Harrell in Round 1. I would have liked to see one of the WR's in a Packer Uniform, mainly Bowe. But if Harrell can stay healthy him and Pickett should be able to free up the LB's big time, and make them studs.

Round 2 if Jarrett or Miller would have been available before we traded down I would have liked to have seen the Pack draft them. However, Jackson looks like the type of back that can share the load in the beginning and take over the full load in a year or two.

Round 3 I don't know anything about James Jones, I would have liked to have seen Green Bay take Mike Walker WR, but I thought he would go later in the draft, rather than right after the packers took James Jones. Rouse, I like, mainly his size. He may have to shift to LB, but imagine if he improves his technique enough to stay at Safety. I hope he stays there. his size 6'4 would help match up on jump balls for Calvin Johnson, Sidney Rice, and others. Not to mention he's a hard hitter, who can make Receivers think twice about coming over the middle. Something we've been missing for a long time. If he ends up becoming a LB, we know have one of the fastest LB's corps in the leagues and someone that can match up with TE's like Olson. Not to mention possibly a poor mans Adalius Thomas, who can play all over the field. There's a lot of risk with Rouse, but there's also a ton of potential, that in my opinion is worth a 3rd round pick.


Can't wait for day 2!