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**BallHawk** · 05-01-2007, 07:28 AM

Tank, if you lost your password why didn't you just tell someone?

**Bretsky** · 05-01-2007, 07:48 AM

TT : "I believe in building and that sort of thing. But I think you have to try to help your team. Quite frankly, I'd rather help us now rather than help us a year from now."

I actually completely agree with the poster; he's building this team slowly for down the road. It amazes me he didn't take that deal.

He fell in love with Harrell; I hope he was right.

**Lurker64** · 05-01-2007, 07:52 AM

Thompson's in a no-win situation with the TT haters here.

If Ted takes Cleveland's offer, he gets lambasted for abandoning Favre and building for the future at the expense of the present.

If Ted doesn't take Cleveland's offer, he gets lambasted for not having the killer instinct and being conservative.

I don't see why the man even tries

**Bretsky** · 05-01-2007, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Lurker64

Thompson's in a no-win situation with the TT haters here.

If Ted takes Cleveland's offer, he gets lambasted for abandoning Favre and building for the future at the expense of the present.

If Ted doesn't take Cleveland's offer, he gets lambasted for not having the killer instinct and being conservative.

I don't see why the man even tries

I'm not sure if I'm a TT hater; maybe I am.

I thought with the right moves we could make one more serious run at the Super Bowl while Favre was still around. That was my premisis.

He's broken my spirit there and now I'm just resigned to the fact that we are slowly going through a rebuilding process for down the road.

With that said I was all for that trade.

Still a lot of solid players on the board with the Browns pick and having their first round draft pick next year would have been incredible.

I see both sides on this though; I'm just surprised TT didn't pull the trigger on this one.

**the_idle_threat** · 05-01-2007, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by BallHawk

Tank, if you lost your password why didn't you just tell someone?

**PackerBlues** · 05-01-2007, 08:03 AM

TT : "I believe in building and that sort of thing. But I think you have to try to help your team. Quite frankly, I'd rather help us now rather than help us a year from now."

I am not saying that he should have made the trade, simply because I have no idea how strong next years draft will be. I am simply pointing out how much his comment reeks of hypocracy. One of the biggest arguments that the "TT lovers" keep throwing out, is the fact that TT is building for the future.

Somebody says "why didnt he go with an offensive player with the first pick"? A "TT" lover will quickly point out "he's building for the future."

Someone asks "why didnt he get Favre any help"? A "TT Lover" will be right there to tell you "because its not about winning now, our great god TT is building for the future.

So then, somebody points out that TT made a comment that reeks of Hypocracy, and some "TT Lover" calls him "Tank" (wtf, i am guessing its an inside joke that I should probably care less about) I think all of you "TT Lovers should either get up off your knees, or change your login names to something more appropriate........Like Bob, or Neil.

**Bretsky** · 05-01-2007, 08:09 AM

I don't think Ballhawk is a TT lover or hater; he was just trying to be funny.

I think all of your points are valid; I truly am surprised TT didn't make this deal; I think he fell in love with a player and was not interested in trading down unless he felt like he could get the guy.

**PackerBlues** · 05-01-2007, 08:23 AM

While I am sure that you are probably right Bretsky, I simply pointed out how little sense TT's comment made, when taken into context with his actions (or lack thereof) in free agency.

TT : "I believe in building and that sort of thing. But I think you have to try to help your team. Quite frankly, I'd rather help us now rather than help us a year from now."

Call me a TT Basher or "Tank" all you want. I just dont see an argument here though.

**MacCool606** · 05-01-2007, 08:41 AM

I think it was Peter King in yesterday's Monday Morning QB that detailed the negotiations between Jerry Jones and Phil Savage. Jones countered that the deal would have to be a 1st round pick next year and Cleveland's 2nd round pick this year.

I hate to think that Jones is a better GM than Thompson. But I would like to know why there was no counter (at least none was mentioned) from GB. For the 16th pick, maybe we could have gotten a 2nd and a 3rd or ? this year. Then with the extra 2nd, Dallas trades back up to get the guy they want, and they still have the additional 1st next year.

That is the way I thought a GM that is on top of his game should operate.

**MJZiggy** · 05-01-2007, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Bretsky

I'm not sure if I'm a TT hater; maybe I am.

Yes. You are.

:P

**PackerBlues** · 05-01-2007, 08:54 AM

I know this is neither here nor there, but something else that kind of bothers me about this draft, is that I keep hearing about "character issues" and such when talking about some of our draft picks this year. I do understand that you can get great deals for these kind of players with "issues", Andre Rison and Terry Glenn come to mind right off the bat as guys that people feared would ruin our team. Yet they ended up being very productive players for the Pack.

So, that being said, Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but.....again, TT said he would rather help the team win now rather than a year from now. Ummmmm, Moss had character issues up the wazoo, but.......I think you can guess where i am going with this.

**MJZiggy** · 05-01-2007, 08:58 AM

If you look at most of the higher round picks, they're all being touted as very stand-up guys. I didn't hear anything about character until the end of the draft and the undrafteds. Who are the character issue guys?

**the_idle_threat** · 05-01-2007, 09:01 AM

I am a fan of TT, but "TT lover" is more than a wee bit overstating things. Anyhoo, your premise is flawed, PackerBlues.

I challenge you to find a TT supporter who defends TT's inaction in free agency this year by saying he is "just building for the future" and has no interest in improving the team now. You will not find it.

The people who are saying that are criticizing TT by assuming this is his motive, when in fact the assertion is pure bullshit and they know it.

TT backers have defended TT's FA "situation" by calling attention to how bad this free agent class was, and that with that bunch there was absolutely no guarantee that a free agent would be better than one of the many young guys on the roster. That, and this very ordinary bunch was demanding huge money that was unwarranted given their talent and production. Those are the arguments I've seen from people like myself who defended TT's actions, and lack thereof. There were no genuine arguments in TT's defense that TT has no interest in winning now.

This squares with my defense of the Harrell pick as well (although I'm on record as saying the injury issues scare me more than they appear to have scared TT). What rookie on offense could have come in and helped the team right away? There were no running backs at 16 that were clearly better tha the guy we got in round 2. Receivers and tight ends almost always take a year or two to develop. Greg Jennings was considered unusually NFL-ready as a rookie coming out of training camp last year, and look at how much impact he actually had.

Compare this with a defensive tackle, who should get into the rotation right away in game 1. If Harrell is anywhere as good as TT expects him to be, he will make a pretty good defense much better, right away in 2007. That suggests to me that TT wants to win now, rather than wait for an offensive prospect to blossom in 2008 or 2009.

**Rastak** · 05-01-2007, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by the_idle_threat

There were no running backs at 16 that were clearly better tha the guy we got in round 2. .

I think dishing that 2nd round pick for Turner would have made alot of sense.....

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