WOW! Bust out your hip waders!!!!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I agree.

[Fritz]

From Merlin:

"From what I can see from TT, from day one, his goal was to build his team. Favre is one of the last pieces that refuses to go away. Although I agree that building a defense does help the team, we for the first time in years will have the same defense on the field under the same defensive coordinator. That will make them better in and of itself. Tearing apart the offense and doing nothing to shore it up doesn't help the team and counteracts any statements made by TT stating he is for winning now. I guarantee you that if Rodgers was the QB, TT would be doing everything he could to get him play makers. I will stand by that statement until such time TT proves me wrong."

I don't agree with you that somehow TT is so proud that he would undermine Favre in order to get rid of him, so he can then get playmakers for Rodgers since Rodgers is his guy. I'm sorry, Merlin, but I just don't buy that TT is that full of himself that he'd be willing to risk his job in order to get Favre to leave so Green Bay will become Ted's team. That just seems pretty far out there.

But of course you are entitled to your opinion. That's why we're here - to share them.

[retailguy]

he was sucking the joy of football out of favre.

Was he? Didn't he completely re-vamp the WR postion after 2001? Wasn't Favre on pace for an MVP season 9 games into 2002, before he and half the team got injured? Whether you like Sherman or not, your statement couldn't be more misguided. Sherman spent four draft picks - two #4s (for Terry Glenn) and a #2 and a #1 to move up and get Walker. If you don't think spending for Walker helped Favre immensely, you weren't watching the Packers. Did you notice that Favre's numbers in 2004 matched his numbers in 1997? Hard to miss if you really follow football.

But that doesn't support "feelings".... now does it?

How quickly we forget Ahman Greens 1900 yard season. How quickly we forget Favre's statistics that year. Yeah, we lost to Philadelphia, so the ____ what?

At least we got to play Philadelphia instead of WATCHING SOMEONE ELSE ON THE FRICKING TV....like we have for the last two seasons, and will again this season, while listening to "We're NOT rebuilding", or "I'm putting a coat of paint on my dream house"... Yeah.

[retailguy]

That's what's strange. Dallas got a MUCH better deal than what apparently was offered us. That makes little sense. Dallas got a GREAT deal. The deal offered us was more 50-50.

That's because Dallas didn't call back and say "NO". They called back and said "We need more". Then they got offered next years 1st and a 3rd. They said "MORE" and then got the second pick.

You gotta say more than "NO" to get a better offer, don't you?

[retailguy]

That's a great idea, Merlin.

btw--I don't "take back" what I wrote ... I just deleted it because it's inappropriate for this forum.

I read what you wrote, and didn't think it was that bad, but rest assured, I'd have pointed it out to you, after your sudden attack on me. Nice to know that you're not really the "goody two-shoes" you make yourself out to be.

[woodbuck27]

Re: WOW! Bust out your hip waders!!!!!

I think everyone would agree that TT is building for the future. He sure as hell hasnt done much to improve our offense to help us win now, that is for sure. So imagine my dismay when I read this JSonline quote from TT in regards to why he didnt make a trade with the Browns that would have given us their 1st round pick in 2008.

TT : "I believe in building and that sort of thing. But I think you have to try to help your team. Quite frankly, I'd rather help us now rather than help us a year from now."


I wonder if his nose got longer as he said that?

It's enough to make me gag !!


I just made this post on another thread and I'll land it here as well.

That post is as follows:

I would have made this deal. Now it appears that TT was really enamoured over DT Justin Harrell.

The deal would have netted us another early second round pick. As the draft went these players would have been available:

** all mentioned as players that members here liked.

4 36 Philadelphia (from Cleveland through Dallas) Kolb, Kevin QB 6-3 220 Houston

5 37 San Diego (from Washington through N.Y. Jets and Chicago) ** Weddle, Eric SS 5-11 200 Utah

6 38 Oakland (from Arizona) ** Miller, Zach TE 6-5 259 Arizona State

7 39 Atlanta (from Houston) Blalock, Justin OT 6-4 329 Texas

8 40 Miami Beck, John QB 6-2 216 Brigham Young

9 41 Atlanta (from Minnesota) ** Houston, Chris CB 5-11 185 Arkansas

10 42 Indianapolis (from San Francisco) Ugoh, Tony G 6-5 305 Arkansas

11 43 Detroit (from Buffalo) Stanton, Drew QB 6-3 235 Michigan State

12 44 Minnesota (from Atlanta) ** Rice, Sidney WR 6-4 202 South Carolina

13 45 Carolina ** Jarrett, Dwayne WR 6-5 213 Southern California

Then at #47 TT could have gone with one of the following:

Again, all solid offensive prospects.

17 49 Cincinnati Irons, Kenny RB 5-11 195 Auburn

18 50 Tennessee Henry, Chris RB 6-0 228 Arizona

19 51 N.Y. Giants Smith, Steve WR 5-11 199 Southern California 20

52 St. Louis Leonard, Brian FB 6-1 238 Rutgers


We would have two firsts next season, one of which would likely be a top ten pick.

Ted Thompson doesn't like being painted in a corner. As I see it in hindsight. That deal would have netted us two pretty solid offensive players.

Two out of three at WR,RB or TE.

PLUS another first next season.

That deal makes way too much sense for Ted Thompson to go for it and desert his agenda.

[3irty1]

It's easy to speculate that TT didn't really have a chance to seal any one of the much talked about deals lately. He sat on his hands while all the good free agents signed with other teams. He traded down rather than up in the draft for a decent WR like Jarrett. He didn't get Moss. He didn't get Turner or LJ....

Not saying that he's driving Favre away... but he is kind of wasting the last year or two of the most charismatic, Hall-of-Famest QB in history. A GM with some hair on his peaches would have converted on one of the previously mentioned deals. I like where our Defense is going and I think our WR's and running game are already underestimated but there were some pretty amazing opportunities this off season that TT dropped the ball on. He may be a genius or whatever but he's definitely a pussy.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

It's easy to speculate that TT didn't really have a chance to seal any one of the much talked about deals lately. He sat on his hands while all the good free agents signed with other teams. He traded down rather than up in the draft for a decent WR like Jarrett. He didn't get Moss. He didn't get Turner or LJ....

Not saying that he's driving Favre away... but he is kind of wasting the last year or two of the most charismatic, Hall-of-Famest QB in history. A GM with some hair on his peaches would have converted on one of the previously mentioned deals. I like where our Defense is going and I think our WR's and running game are already underestimated but there were some pretty amazing opportunities this off season that TT dropped the ball on. He may be a genius or whatever but he's definitely a pussy.

Hey a new member. Welcome

[woodbuck27]

I don't think Ballhawk is a TT lover or hater; he was just trying to be funny.

I think all of your points are valid; I truly am surprised TT didn't make this deal; I think he fell in love with a player and was not interested in trading down unless he felt like he could get the guy.

NO !

I believe that my take on this is very accurate.

That would have been a sweet deal for a man that loves the draft and trading down.

That describes Ted Thompson the draft genious doesn't it ?

Ted Thompson is so full of it I can hardly believe that there is a soul on this board that puts up with it now.

It's especially difficult for me given that we love the Packers and seem to be a rather intelligent and informed crowd of Packer fans

[retailguy]

I don't think Ballhawk is a TT lover or hater; he was just trying to be funny.

I think all of your points are valid; I truly am surprised TT didn't make this deal; I think he fell in love with a player and was not interested in trading down unless he felt like he could get the guy.

NO !

I believe that my take on this is very accurate.

That would have been a sweet deal for a man that loves the draft and trading down.

That describes Ted Thompson the draft genious doesn't it ?

Ted Thompson is so full of it I can hardly believe that there is a soul on this board that puts up with it now.

It's especially difficult for me given that we love the Packers and seem to be a rather intelligent and informed crowd of Packer fans

Guess we can put you solidly in the "hater" column now, huh?

there goes all your credibility because you "aren't singing the Company song".

After me now, ready...... "Mediocrity, Mediocrity, how I love to be mediocre...."...

LOL.

[woodbuck27]

Tank, if you lost your password why didn't you just tell someone?

Tank if that is YOU.

Some things will never change.

ie Tank and woodbuck27 Vs Ted Thompson's ways.

Tank if that is you? Don't give it up.

It's

[woodbuck27]

I don't think Ballhawk is a TT lover or hater; he was just trying to be funny.

I think all of your points are valid; I truly am surprised TT didn't make this deal; I think he fell in love with a player and was not interested in trading down unless he felt like he could get the guy.

NO !

I believe that my take on this is very accurate.

That would have been a sweet deal for a man that loves the draft and trading down.

That describes Ted Thompson the draft genious doesn't it ?

Ted Thompson is so full of it I can hardly believe that there is a soul on this board that puts up with it now.

It's especially difficult for me given that we love the Packers and seem to be a rather intelligent and informed crowd of Packer fans

Guess we can put you solidly in the "hater" column now, huh?

there goes all your credibility because you "aren't singing the Company song".

After me now, ready...... "Mediocrity, Mediocrity, how I love to be mediocre...."...

LOL.

I've watched this (excuse me )man's every move since he became our GM.

No I don't hate him. I don't hate anyone.

Ted Thompson is too pathetic to hate. He's obviously pathetic.

[3irty1]

I've watched this (excuse me )man's every move since he became our GM.

No I don't hate him. I don't hate anyone.

Ted Thompson is too pathetic to hate. He's obviously pathetic.

Pretty liberal use of the word "man."

[woodbuck27]

I've watched this (excuse me )man's every move since he became our GM.

No I don't hate him. I don't hate anyone.

Ted Thompson is too pathetic to hate. He's obviously pathetic.

Pretty liberal use of the word "man."

My sarcasm is obvious.

If I hold it all in I'll harm myself.

That's what a forum is for partially. To expell feelings of frustration in a non destructive manner. That is . . .without personal attacks on fellow members.

[MJZiggy]

At least we got to play Philadelphia instead of WATCHING SOMEONE ELSE ON THE FRICKING TV....like we have for the last two seasons, and will again this season, while listening to "We're NOT rebuilding", or "I'm putting a coat of paint on my dream house"... Yeah.

You are so sure of that before the first mini-camp. It's amazing to me. I find it interesting that because we didn't sign someone that the media annointed a big name to or that had really great production 3 years ago that we are absolutely destined to fail and that there is NO chance whatsoever that this bunch on no names could possibly make the playoffs because we play more teams that were good last year. The Bears had a good draft so I've heard. You'll never convince me that they're a stonger organization than the were a year ago. You'll also never convince me that the Lions couldn't make a sudden comeback. We just won't know til they get some uniforms on and start hitting each other. That's part of the joy of the game.

To be honest, I don't give a rat's ass (pun intended) about a big name. So what if the pundits know who someone is. It happens way too often that some kid comes out of nowhere and lights it up (Jennings anyone?) and suddenly is a big name. I don't care if someone was great a few years ago and could be for us. Bubba was great a few years ago and you guys want t string him up and get rid of him. He's still a very good blocker and with a little improvement on the o-line, which is to be expected, he has the potential to return to form. If not, one of the kids will. That's life in the NFL. You guys are ready to lay down and die. I'm so glad the team isn't.