WOW! Bust out your hip waders!!!!!

[packrulz]

Kewl Avatar Packrulz! heh heh......one might argue that the Offense could not stay on the field thereby wearing our Defense out. As in 3 and out by our offense......Defense did a good job. You can only have so many 3 and outs by your offense before the "law of averages" says your Defense is going to wear down and give up points.

In effect, you could argue that Defense wins games, but you still need points on the board, and they could use a longer rest inbetween our offenses "3 and outs".

(had to edit this one to add.......Very kewl avatar Mrbojangles!)

That's a matter of opinion, some of the Packer games were only lost by a few points, like the Saints, Rams, and Seahawks games. Had the Packers won those they would've been in the playoffs.

Sun., Sept. 10 Chicago Bears 3:15 p.m. L, 0-26
Sun., Sept. 17 New Orleans Saints (Gold Pkg.) 12 noon L, 27-34
Sun., Sept. 24 @ Detroit Lions 12 noon W, 31-24
Mon., Oct. 2 @ Philadelphia Eagles 7:30 p.m. L, 9-31
Sun., Oct. 8 St. Louis Rams 12 noon L, 20-23
Sun., Oct. 15 Open Date
Sun., Oct. 22 @ Miami Dolphins 12 noon W, 34-24
Sun., Oct. 29 Arizona Cardinals 12 noon W, 31-14
Sun., Nov. 5 @ Buffalo Bills 12 noon L, 10-24
Sun., Nov. 12 @ Minnesota Vikings 12 noon W, 23-17
Sun., Nov. 19 New England Patriots (Gold Pkg.) 12 noon L, 0-35
Mon., Nov. 27 @ Seattle Seahawks 7:30 p.m. L, 24-34
Sun., Dec. 3 New York Jets 12 noon L, 10-38
Sun., Dec. 10 @ San Francisco 49ers 3:05 p.m. W, 30-19
Sun., Dec. 17 Detroit Lions 12 noon W, 17-9
Thurs., Dec. 21 Minnesota Vikings 7:00 p.m. W, 9-7
Sun., Dec. 31 @ Chicago Bears *7:15 p.m. W, 26-7

[Spaulding]

Kewl Avatar Packrulz! heh heh......one might argue that the Offense could not stay on the field thereby wearing our Defense out. As in 3 and out by our offense......Defense did a good job. You can only have so many 3 and outs by your offense before the "law of averages" says your Defense is going to wear down and give up points.

In effect, you could argue that Defense wins games, but you still need points on the board, and they could use a longer rest inbetween our offenses "3 and outs".

(had to edit this one to add.......Very kewl avatar Mrbojangles!)

That's a matter of opinion, some of the Packer games were only lost by a few points, like the Saints, Rams, and Seahawks games. Had the Packers won those they would've been in the playoffs.

Sun., Sept. 10 Chicago Bears 3:15 p.m. L, 0-26
Sun., Sept. 17 New Orleans Saints (Gold Pkg.) 12 noon L, 27-34
Sun., Sept. 24 @ Detroit Lions 12 noon W, 31-24
Mon., Oct. 2 @ Philadelphia Eagles 7:30 p.m. L, 9-31
Sun., Oct. 8 St. Louis Rams 12 noon L, 20-23
Sun., Oct. 15 Open Date
Sun., Oct. 22 @ Miami Dolphins 12 noon W, 34-24
Sun., Oct. 29 Arizona Cardinals 12 noon W, 31-14
Sun., Nov. 5 @ Buffalo Bills 12 noon L, 10-24
Sun., Nov. 12 @ Minnesota Vikings 12 noon W, 23-17
Sun., Nov. 19 New England Patriots (Gold Pkg.) 12 noon L, 0-35
Mon., Nov. 27 @ Seattle Seahawks 7:30 p.m. L, 24-34
Sun., Dec. 3 New York Jets 12 noon L, 10-38
Sun., Dec. 10 @ San Francisco 49ers 3:05 p.m. W, 30-19
Sun., Dec. 17 Detroit Lions 12 noon W, 17-9
Thurs., Dec. 21 Minnesota Vikings 7:00 p.m. W, 9-7
Sun., Dec. 31 @ Chicago Bears *7:15 p.m. W, 26-7

Only problem I have with that Packrulz is that playoff teams don't get pounded 26-0, 35-0, and 38-10 (not including the 31-9 loss to the Eagles where we were completely outclassed in the 2nd after after leading 9-7).

This team could have been just as easily 5-11 or 6-10 (last Bears game with many Bear starters on the bench or having little drive to win or play hungry, the 2nd Vikings win when Chili make the sure fire loss move of starting Tavarious, etc.) as making the playoffs with one of those close wins.

The only loss in recent memory that hurt more than those three home debacles was the playoff loss to Atlanta and thinking I should have saved my money and drank at home versus pretty much passing out in the North end zone).

Our defensive players talent wise look solid, the x factor is the lose of bates and Crapenheimer screwing up the secondary. If they gell and play well then who knows - playoffs? In the AFC - not a chance, in the NFC sure what the heck.

Thanks for the kudos on the avatar. I've got an excessive collection so if anybody is looking for something and can't find it let me know and I'll try and help.

[packrulz]

Kewl Avatar Packrulz! heh heh......one might argue that the Offense could not stay on the field thereby wearing our Defense out. As in 3 and out by our offense......Defense did a good job. You can only have so many 3 and outs by your offense before the "law of averages" says your Defense is going to wear down and give up points.

In effect, you could argue that Defense wins games, but you still need points on the board, and they could use a longer rest inbetween our offenses "3 and outs".

(had to edit this one to add.......Very kewl avatar Mrbojangles!)

That's a matter of opinion, some of the Packer games were only lost by a few points, like the Saints, Rams, and Seahawks games. Had the Packers won those they would've been in the playoffs.

Sun., Sept. 10 Chicago Bears 3:15 p.m. L, 0-26
Sun., Sept. 17 New Orleans Saints (Gold Pkg.) 12 noon L, 27-34
Sun., Sept. 24 @ Detroit Lions 12 noon W, 31-24
Mon., Oct. 2 @ Philadelphia Eagles 7:30 p.m. L, 9-31
Sun., Oct. 8 St. Louis Rams 12 noon L, 20-23
Sun., Oct. 15 Open Date
Sun., Oct. 22 @ Miami Dolphins 12 noon W, 34-24
Sun., Oct. 29 Arizona Cardinals 12 noon W, 31-14
Sun., Nov. 5 @ Buffalo Bills 12 noon L, 10-24
Sun., Nov. 12 @ Minnesota Vikings 12 noon W, 23-17
Sun., Nov. 19 New England Patriots (Gold Pkg.) 12 noon L, 0-35
Mon., Nov. 27 @ Seattle Seahawks 7:30 p.m. L, 24-34
Sun., Dec. 3 New York Jets 12 noon L, 10-38
Sun., Dec. 10 @ San Francisco 49ers 3:05 p.m. W, 30-19
Sun., Dec. 17 Detroit Lions 12 noon W, 17-9
Thurs., Dec. 21 Minnesota Vikings 7:00 p.m. W, 9-7
Sun., Dec. 31 @ Chicago Bears *7:15 p.m. W, 26-7

Only problem I have with that Packrulz is that playoff teams don't get pounded 26-0, 35-0, and 38-10 (not including the 31-9 loss to the Eagles where we were completely outclassed in the 2nd after after leading 9-7).

This team could have been just as easily 5-11 or 6-10 (last Bears game with many Bear starters on the bench or having little drive to win or play hungry, the 2nd Vikings win when Chili make the sure fire loss move of starting Tavarious, etc.) as making the playoffs with one of those close wins.

The only loss in recent memory that hurt more than those three home debacles was the playoff loss to Atlanta and thinking I should have saved my money and drank at home versus pretty much passing out in the North end zone).

Our defensive players talent wise look solid, the x factor is the lose of bates and Crapenheimer screwing up the secondary. If they gell and play well then who knows - playoffs? In the AFC - not a chance, in the NFC sure what the heck.

Thanks for the kudos on the avatar. I've got an excessive collection so if anybody is looking for something and can't find it let me know and I'll try and help.

Yes, those were glaring at me and I still feel the pain of those losses but I feel those can be attributed to the rookies on the offensive line, don't you think? I do agree there were a lot of dropped passes but part of that is installing a new offense and getting the timing down. My point is the defense wasn't so great either so to say they should've drafted an offensive player in the 1st round just for the sake of filling a need is stupid. You draft the best player availiable, regardless of need, and I think TT was trying to do that.

[Packgator]

Ted's first first round pick for the Packers: Aaron Rogers. TT's way of saying "Hey Brett, I want you gone, and I am not going to do anything to help this offense."

Teds third first round pick for the Packers: Justin Harrell. Another "safe" pick? Not exactly......a little injury history here. Was there another "silent message" sent to Favre? I think so.

Those are two absurd and ridiculous comments.

[Packgator]

I can tell you one thing, If I were the starting QB for the Packers from the time that TT took over up til now.........I would have been cut for sure.

Gee, ya think so.

[The Leaper]

Thompson's in a no-win situation with the TT haters here.

If Ted takes Cleveland's offer, he gets lambasted for abandoning Favre and building for the future at the expense of the present.

If Ted doesn't take Cleveland's offer, he gets lambasted for not having the killer instinct and being conservative.

I disagree.

There were no offensive players of note left at #16...and we could've got a reasonably good one with Cleveland's 2nd round pick.

The Browns offer simply wasn't near good enough when there was a guy on the board Thompson felt was worth the pick.

[Charles Woodson]

Re: WOW! Bust out your hip waders!!!!!

That deal makes way too much sense for Ted Thompson to go for it and desert his agenda.

That is exactly what TT is all about. I agree 100% with Merlin when he says TT wants it to be his team.

I guess i cant say alot because we dont know how this guy will turn out, but one things for sure that TT no long ever again has the excuse of not signing/picking a guy solely on the fact that he
gets injured. I think thats the thing that pissed me off so much. I guess i think that in value and everything TT really screwed the pooch on this one. I mean he could have gotten the most value by doing this:


First move is to trade down with the Broncos
Jaguars got a 3rd and a 5th to move back 4 spots. That way in my opionion the Harrell pick wouldnt quite be such a reach. and if TT was so in love with him then theres no stopping him picking him. But if hes not there then

Secound move is to trade down with Clevland...
That way you just sucked draft picks out of 2 teams. Your still ahead of Dallas so that assumes that your getting a better deal. This way your set for the future and now...

Third move, and this is still if TT wants, he can move our original 2nd and trade with the Jets (if he still wanted to)

So you have 3 round 3 selections, I make a trade to move up with ethier broncos or miami:

Miami's pick:235
Denvers pick:240

Packers-3+5+6+6+6=237


that way our draft picks look like this

Clevlands 1 next year
2(36) 2(63)
3(70) 3(78) 3(89)
4(119)
5(159(i think)
7(228) 7(293)


And this is what i would do with those picks

2-Ethier Rice, Jarrett, or Smith

2-Pittman

3-Marcus McCauley

3-Tank Tyler

3-Aaron Rouse

4-Allen Barbe

5-David Clowney

7-Michael Allen

7-Darius Walker

please excues spelling
Also i know that there are alot of IFs in this and most likely a few flaws. this is just how i would do it.

[The Shadow]

I dont think any GM would put up with his QB walking into his office and Bitch Slapping the living shit out of him. Lucky for Teddy that Favre has a much nicer temperment than me.

And I'm sure that former NFL linebacker Thompson would be quaking in his boots at the sight of you mincing into his office just a'fuming with rage.

[BallHawk]

CW,

It's very possible that if we trade down with the Broncos that we don't get Harrell. Also, it's foolish to assume that we can make all these trades without any ripple effect. One trade effects several more, which then effects the players and where they go.

Also, the idea that TT is sabotaging the team to make it his own is just unrealistic. Do you honestly think that TT, to boost his own ego, would make the team worse? It's just ludacris.

And who cares about "value"? Value is just an illusion created by draft experts to make talk. Oh, we got 5th round value in the 3rd round? That blows. We got a 3rd round value in the 5th round? Fantastic.

Value means nothing. It's the players you draft that makes the difference, not the "value" at which you get them.

[Charles Woodson]

Also, the idea that TT is sabotaging the team to make it his own is just unrealistic. Do you honestly think that TT, to boost his own ego, would make the team worse? It's just ludacris.

I dont belive that TT is making the team worse on purpose but i belive that TT would be happier than sad if Brett had retired. It gives TT the feeling that its his team. Makes him feel in control that all of the main parts have been put together through him. But i do belive that that draft could have happened. I would say the browns trade deffinetly even after the broncos trade. Basically i had made that with the mindset that even if harrell was or wasnt there we would still be trade partners with the browns.

[PackerBlues]

Overall, no....he isnt making the team any worse. (How could it get any worse?) He just isnt fixing that part of the team that puts points on the board.

He is shoring up the defense, yes. He has just addressed special teams. Actually most of his picks seem to be destined for the special teams unit.

But again, nothing to improve our offense. Argue this point all you want. Some of us are not blinded by TTLove.

awww who knows maybe Teddy will suprise us all and pick up a free agent.

[retailguy]

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awww who knows maybe Teddy will suprise us all and pick up a free agent.

And, in May, just who would that be? Aren't most of the guys who could help us, at least in a starting role, gone already?

Do we really need anymore backups, considering he's drafted 33 guys in the last 3 years? How many backups do you need?

[PackerBlues]

Yeah, sorry about that. Its kind of hard to convey heavily dripping sarcasm through the written word.

[Lurker64]

(How could it get any worse?)

Mike Sherman could still be the GM, and we could be cap hell with cap hell and have no picks left next year.

But again, nothing to improve our offense. Argue this point all you want. Some of us are not blinded by TTLove.

Out of a draft class of 11 people, 8 players are destined to play offense or score points. I don't see how that can possibly be construed as "doing nothing" to improve the offense. Before you say "the guys we drafted won't help", please keep in mind that you haven't seen a one of them play a down of football in a Packer uniform.

awww who knows maybe Teddy will suprise us all and pick up a free agent.

Is there anybody worth signing? Was there ever? Face it, it's a bad free agency year. People were overpaying for mediocrity. Other than the fullback who went to Oakland, I don't think there was a single player in free agency this year that I actually wanted, no matter who our GM was.

(In all honesty though, I expect Ted to sign some June 1 cuts, specifically some of Atlanta's linemen who get cut since Petrino will be abandoning the ZBS.)

[MJZiggy]

That's what the is for... :P