Packers WR's vs Other Teams

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: Packers WR's vs Other Teams

After he left...that is a foolish argument to make. One, who EVER is good in Detroit besides Barry.

How is that a foolish argument? Why should Bill Schroeder, or any other player, not be viewed in the light of their career as a whole?

BTW...Roy Williams played pretty damn well in Detroit last year. 80 catches, 1300 yds. But who EVER is good in Detroit?

Game, Set, Match.

Glad to know you think you've won the argument over Schroeder as being below average by simply discounting all his years in Detroit as being unacceptable and foolish to evaluate.

I think only Driver's first year in the league is acceptable to evaluate. Driver is actually a piss poor receiver. He shouldn't even be a starter.

Game, Set, Match.

Once again, out of context. Roy didn't play under MM nor with a first year Joey Harrington.

But, the fact that you can really only name 2 players in Detroit proves MY point. EVER is hyperbole.

Of course one can view an entire career. But, you can't make your argument that Favre made him when he moves on at the twilight of his career. That is just stupid.

No, i won the argument because his production was good in detroit despite being older, playing with a shitty QB, a system that didn't throw the ball..leading receivers had less than 40 receptions, his YPC were in line with all of his career, etc.

Should i look at Montana's stats in KC and make and argument that Taylor and Rice made him?

[TennesseePackerBacker]

The fact that we can put 5 quality recievers out there at any given time, and any of them can be a legitimate threat makes the Packers very strong offensively.

Driver,Jennings,Jones,Martin,Lee,Robinson,Franks(r edzone?/healthy?).

No other team in the league has depth like that.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: Packers WR's vs Other Teams

Well, then define Talent for me.

It is impossible to quantify everything that makes up talent...but consider your general Madden-game type qualifications for a receiver. Those generally are what I am talking about.

It all goes together to create an overall rating. Driver doesn't lack much, except in terms of size. That is what greatly limits him from being a red zone threat, and it also hinders his capacity to make plays downfield in jump ball situations.

I've never said Driver isn't any good. However, he can't do everything as a receiver...like a Moss or Owens or Johnson. He can't dominate games and take them over like elite receivers do...even though he is paired with an all-time great QB. Neither do general accolades and awards...those are based on PRODUCTION. Otherwise, Favre should always be in the Pro Bowl...since he has always been one of the 3 most talented players in the NFC at QB.

I don't think he's a top 20 talent. He's certainly a top 10 producer when paired with Favre. I just think there are quite a few WRs in the league that could put up similar or better numbers than Driver if they were in his situation (several years in an offense along with a QB the caliber of Favre).

He's been put into a great situation and he's taken advantage of it. Great! That doesn't mean he's an elite talent.

I'm not familiar with Madden type rating. Please enumerate or give link as to where this can be found.

Can't do everything? Interesting.

Moss: Can't run a disciplined route. Can't block. Can't go over the middle.

TO: Drops a ton of balls. Not very fast.

Ocho: Top of the line.

You have just chosen to view certain areas more importantly than others. Good for you. But, that doesn't make you right.

[4and12to12and4]

Incredibly funny to read back through this one! All the talk of Martin and Holliday, but barely a mention of Jones. No one expected much from him.

Our #3 WR spot is a real strength. And #4...assuming that's Robinson, the thought of him running a go route with an LB in chase has to worry DC's!

All in all, our top 5 WR's are probably #2 in the league. NE is better, but Indi with Harrison out is a lot weaker. Detroit and Arizona don't have anything after the #2. Dallas...is Glenn even healthy yet? Cleveland looks good when you include Winslow, but Lee has been giving us production there, so I don't even know if I'd take that!

Hammer meet nail.