I would consider 2007 a Failure IF

[Bretsky]

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Amazes me that 45% would deem 5-7 wins or feel that wins do not matter at all to consider the season unsuccessful

Gosh I wish I'd have had that grading system when I was in school.

Maybe if I had a harder teacher in grade six than I had in grade five my falling grades would have been just fine and dandy

[RashanGary]

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Amazes me that 45% would deem 5-7 wins or feel that wins do not matter at all to consider the season unsuccessful

Gosh I wish I'd have had that grading system when I was in school.

Maybe if I had a harder teacher in grade six than I had in grade five my falling grades would have been just fine and dandy

You just didnt' have Mike Sherman and 10 years of low drafts to bring down the curve for you

[RashanGary]

Also, 8-8 is average so that is a C grade; hardly an F where ever you went to school.

I want the team to be better than last year. 8-8 is minimum for me to not be disappointed. As far as it being a success, I want 9 wins.

[Bretsky]

Also, 8-8 is average so that is a C grade; hardly an F where ever you went to school.

I want the team to be better than last year. 8-8 is minimum for me to not be disappointed. As far as it being a success, I want 9 wins.

Justin,

While I don't consider you an extreme Turtle apologist, you are a strong Snapper supporter. I wanted to point out that I have the utmost respect for the fact that you are willing to state your view and give some parameters to judge TT by.

You have stated a few times that for next year to be successful you want to see improvement in the record and if you don't see that you will begin to see the dark side with me.

What I don't get it those who want to give TT a free pass. Blind faith and no parameters whatsoever from which to judge him by. We can debate whether or not individuals improve forever, but it's TT's job to go forward to field a winning team. It's frickin time to make the playoffs. That simple

I do take into account the harder schedule, but I also take into account that GB had more money than 27 other teams entering free agency. It's Ted's decision how to spend it...via free agency or signing his own....but that fiscal flexibility to improve at least evens out the tougher schedule IMO.

He is accountable; he needs to also show accountability and that boils back to wins losses. His free passes should be over.

I hope he is making all the correct decisions for this team to become a contender.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ye of Little Faith!

[Bretsky]

Also, 8-8 is average so that is a C grade; hardly an F where ever you went to school.

I want the team to be better than last year. 8-8 is minimum for me to not be disappointed. As far as it being a success, I want 9 wins.

My point is we witnessed a 8-8 record.

Yet many are willing to accept 5-7 wins if they see general improvements. If we win 5-7 we are not improving.

If I get 8 out of 16 questions right in the 5th grade Math end of year exam, and then 6 out of 16 questions right one year later in the end of the year 6th grade Math exam, clearly I don't think I'm moving forward.

[Bretsky]

Ye of Little Faith!

I would not say I have little faith

But Free pass time is flipping over

I'd predict 7-9 wins at this point, but it's time to start calling for success from the Snapper and I don't understand why so many are afraid to do so.

[HarveyWallbangers]

In my mind, it's year 2 of the rebuilding process. I know it's his 3rd year, but Thompson took over a team coming off a 10-6 record. He couldn't start the rebuilding process right away--because of that 10-6 record. I think a lot of us knew it wasn't a legit 10-6 team (close victories, blowout losses, easy schedule, and embarassing playoff loss), the team was getting old, and the team was about to lose some serious talent (Sharper, Wahle, Rivera) because of a poor cap situation. Thus, I count 2006 as year 1 in the rebuilding process. Sorry if you disagree, but that's my take. He'll sort of get a free pass until next year from me.

I hope they do well, and show continuing signs of improvement. Hopefully, a more legit 8-8 this year. Next year, they are in great shape not to lose anybody, and will have had two years of adding serious young talent.

That doesn't mean I don't think they can do better. That just means it's one year too early for me to hang Thompson--whether you try to guilt people into putting artifical parameters on the team or not.

[Bretsky]

In my mind, it's year 2 of the rebuilding process. I know it's his 3rd year, but Thompson took over a team coming off a 10-6 record. He couldn't start the rebuilding process right away--because of that 10-6 record. I think a lot of us knew it wasn't a legit 10-6 team (close victories, blowout losses, easy schedule, and embarassing playoff loss), the team was getting old, and the team was about to lose some serious talent (Sharper, Wahle, Rivera) because of a poor cap situation. Thus, I count 2006 as year 1 in the rebuilding process. Sorry if you disagree, but that's my take. He'll sort of get a free pass until next year from me.

I hope they do well, and show continuing signs of improvement. Hopefully, a more legit 8-8 this year. Next year, they are in great shape not to lose anybody, and will have had two years of adding serious young talent.

That doesn't mean I don't think they can do better. That just means it's one year too early for me to hang Thompson--whether you try to guilt people into putting artifical parameters on the team or not.

How the Mighty have fallen

You've watched his antics and now have accepted his slow process and have adjusted your expectations to fit his slow motion style.

TT had 35+ Million last year and 25+ Million this year. Two clean years to attack free agency as he chose. I'm not blaming him for anything now, but he's chosen clear paths to improve. Three drafts in which he built through adding picks . He started cleaning out and rebuilding the day he entered the house.

In our piss poor division in which we were 5-1 and should be 4-2 a .500 record in the NFC was fair for us last year. We could have won 6 and we could have won 10 easily. We finished where we should in the NFC. Not the playoffs, but not terrible either. We were average.

Ted has had his time; just because he's slow does not mean we need to lower our expectations and be as patient as him. Not having expectations frustrates me.

I expect measurable improvement, and in a weak NFC that is entirely practical to expect IMO.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Three drafts, but the first was with low draft order, his 1st round pick won't play until Favre retires, and his second round pick got a career-ending injury.

[Bretsky]

Three drafts, but the first was with low draft order, his 1st round pick won't play until Favre retires, and his second round pick got a career-ending injury.

Hey, give him a bit of mercy for the Murphy pick, but the rest were his choices
He gets no free pass. That's the draft his trading down madness started.

11 picks that year that included AROD and
M HAWKINS
M MONTGROMER
C BRAGG
K CAMPBELL
W WHITTAKER
J COSTON

I don't know why he'd get a free pass from his first draft in which he traded down quite a few times to get a boatload of picks....many of which did not appear to work out.

We glorify him for last year, and this year is TBD

But his method of draft madness has been going for three years now
Two years of infinite free agency funds

It's time

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rodgers, Collins, Underwood, Poppinga could all turn out to be decent starters, so it's too early to judge that draft. Who knows? Coston might even contribute. Murphy very likely would have helped, so chalk that up to bad luck. If Rodgers turns into a good QB, that's a good draft.

[MJZiggy]

A gift for B:

[Bretsky]

A gift for B:

Don't get it, but that's OK.

You're a chick so I'm not suppose to understand anything from you

[woodbuck27]

Three drafts, but the first was with low draft order, his 1st round pick won't play until Favre retires, and his second round pick got a career-ending injury.

but,but. . . BUT.

The but's need to stop.

It's clear to me that the majority of members on this forum expect at least an 8-8 record this season.

I'm certainly not seeing that yet.

Our starters look either weak or unproven on the offense (exception at QB and WR) and our depth is non existent.

The pressure on MM and his staff of coach's is heavy.