Packers make feeler offer for now retired Keyshawn Johnson

[Tony Oday]

I for one love the way this team is going. I love defense and really we have the core to a solid young d that could dominate in the future. Think AR isnt good enough to be on a playoff team? Dont even make me list the slaps that the Bears and Ravens have had pilot their teams. Is AR a good QB? WHO THE HELL KNOWS!!! Good god he is still a rookie because he doesnt get playing time. I dont think he will wow us but come on atleast give the little guy a chance.

Also the big difference between Favre and AR coming into the starting role is that the Pack were terrible for a LONG TIME before Favre got the starting gig. We would have been happy with 7-9 with Favre in the early years. Yes he is a super talented QB that got EVERY chance to excel and play. In todays NFL do you think Favre would have had the time to excel?

NFL winning teams are built from within and add a couple pieces to bring it all together. We will see this year after going 10-6 that we are going in the right direction. Jennings becomes a stud and we get a third guy to contribute we could be a very solid team.

On the OL statement you tell me one Oline that exceled in their first year together? Name it please. A great line plays together for a long time. They are starting to get it and are building chemestry.

There are a lot of ifs on this team but what do you expect from a 8-8 team? Perfection? Signing a couple guys to compete in two years for backup roles? spend 50 million on offensive guards that are not even close to as good as their paychecks? Oft injured tight ends? Moody and old WR? I would have liked Moss here but in reality he went to the team that he could almost for sure win on.

[BallHawk]

No, because he was a TT first round pick. GM's are to stubburn to admit when they have effed up. Now i, like you guiness, dont agree with the way that TT is takin the team, but we disagree on Rodgers. The little times hes gotten to play , has he dont anything? Yes i know its shit time but still i havent seen a glimpse of anything from this kid. And personally i think TT's throat would be cut faster if they released him now and admited he was a bust(not saying that he is) but its smarter for TT to keep him for a while because first fans arent real happy with TT to start of with and secound he would take even more shit.

Punctuation is good.........

BH, when do you finish school? We finished today

You must of broken up earlier then us then. We break up Next Thursday, the 31st.

[Fritz]

There's a couple things here that irk me. First is the JSO headline: "Bid to Land Keyshawn not Enough." True enough, but it's misleading. It suggests that, gosh darn it, once again cheap ol' TT didn't offer enough despite the huge sal cap space he has...yet the truth is that NOBODY'S bid was good enough. Tennessee offered a large contract - but it didn't work, either. Keyshawn wanted to be a talking head. The dude retired. TT didn't lose Johnson to another team.

The second thing that irks me is that people respond to this manipulation and bitch about TT "losing" Johnson. Come on. Complain if you want about TT not bidding enough for Moss - I don't believe Moss wanted to come here, period, and I've listed links that suggest that had NE not been "the" team getting Moss, he wanted no part in re-negotiating the contract - but at least it is debatable and questionable whether TT did enough. Maybe he could've traded for him. But how can anyone debate that TT "lost" Johnson? The guy retired. Does that mean that when Brett Favre retires and, say, the Redskins fail to sign him that they've failed somehow? I think not.

[Merlin]

To be honest with you, I cannot see why they got rid of Craig Nall. He looked a hell of a lot better than Rogers did. In my opinion anyway. Shit for all that it matters up to this point, lol.......they could have kept Pederson and used that first round pick on a player or position that we actually needed.

Pederson retired. His injury told him it was time so there was no keeping him. Nall knew the offense and stepped up when called upon. I think they let him go because they weren't willing to match the offer he got from Buffalo. It was a financial move by 3T, not a move to keep a viable backup for Favre that could play and proved he could play. I agree that 3T will not let Rodgers go until he is the starting QB for the Packers. He was his first draft choice so he isn't going anywhere no matter how ineffective he is.

Keyshawn? No way would we sign the guy even if he didn't retire. Andrew Brandt is great but what he thinks and what 3T thinks are two different things.

[MJZiggy]

There's a couple things here that irk me. First is the JSO headline: "Bid to Land Keyshawn not Enough." True enough, but it's misleading. It suggests that, gosh darn it, once again cheap ol' TT didn't offer enough despite the huge sal cap space he has...yet the truth is that NOBODY'S bid was good enough. Tennessee offered a large contract - but it didn't work, either. Keyshawn wanted to be a talking head. The dude retired. TT didn't lose Johnson to another team.

The second thing that irks me is that people respond to this manipulation and bitch about TT "losing" Johnson. Come on. Complain if you want about TT not bidding enough for Moss - I don't believe Moss wanted to come here, period, and I've listed links that suggest that had NE not been "the" team getting Moss, he wanted no part in re-negotiating the contract - but at least it is debatable and questionable whether TT did enough. Maybe he could've traded for him. But how can anyone debate that TT "lost" Johnson? The guy retired. Does that mean that when Brett Favre retires and, say, the Redskins fail to sign him that they've failed somehow? I think not.

Nice post...

[woodbuck27]

There's a couple things here that irk me. First is the JSO headline: "Bid to Land Keyshawn not Enough." True enough, but it's misleading. It suggests that, gosh darn it, once again cheap ol' TT didn't offer enough despite the huge sal cap space he has...yet the truth is that NOBODY'S bid was good enough. Tennessee offered a large contract - but it didn't work, either. Keyshawn wanted to be a talking head. The dude retired. TT didn't lose Johnson to another team.

The second thing that irks me is that people respond to this manipulation and bitch about TT "losing" Johnson. Come on. Complain if you want about TT not bidding enough for Moss - I don't believe Moss wanted to come here, period, and I've listed links that suggest that had NE not been "the" team getting Moss, he wanted no part in re-negotiating the contract - but at least it is debatable and questionable whether TT did enough. Maybe he could've traded for him. But how can anyone debate that TT "lost" Johnson? The guy retired. Does that mean that when Brett Favre retires and, say, the Redskins fail to sign him that they've failed somehow? I think not.

Nice post...

Ahhhh. . . how the TT people pull taffy.

That's

[MJZiggy]

It's not about "TT people." Fritz is talking about shoddy reporting and we all know what a BIG fan I am of crappy journalism...

[woodbuck27]

It's not about "TT people." Fritz is talking about shoddy reporting and we all know what a BIG fan I am of crappy journalism...

OK mj. . . and that reporting does take a swipe at Ted Thompson.

Good.

[Fritz]

This is my point exactly, Woodbuck. What purports to be straightforward "reporting" is actually a swipe at TT.

[MJZiggy]

Exactly.

[Bretsky]

This is my point exactly, Woodbuck. What purports to be straightforward "reporting" is actually a swipe at TT.

I'd fall into paragraph 2 of your good post

I could care less about KJ

The Moss deal on the other hand

Oh well old news.

Bottom line is do we improve next year..........I guess

[Scott Campbell]

Who cares? He retired.

The point of fact here is that even if the Packers want a quality player they arn't really in the game.

It's obvious aound the NFL now that we are a struggling team with little to lend to an upside on offense. Until we prove otherwise really talented players willl not be on our radar.

After Favre and DD there is little on our offense to attract the attention of the really talented to Green Bay. Both will soon be history as Packers.

We don't even have a competent back-up QB on our roster, moreso a solid franchise QB after Favre. If anyone here really believes that Aaron Rodgers is the answer? I will say your mistaken.

There is nothing that will attract good players more to a good team then that teams ability to win and at least appear to be progressing towards improvement.

Ted Thompson has blown that out of the water with his PLAN.The greatest weakness in his PLAN is for him to proceed with the impression that Aaron Rodgers will be a success in the NFL as Favre's replacement.

Either he has to change very soon,admitting his ways arn't about winning and that will change; or he has to be removed as our GM.

Do we as Packer fans have to suffer through two - three more years with this man as our GM? With every excuse made for his neglect and extremely conservative approach towords enabling us more in the win column?

NO. . . WE SHOULDN'T.

lol

[Kiwon]

Do we as Packer fans have to suffer through two - three more years with this man as our GM? With every excuse made for his neglect and extremely conservative approach towords enabling us more in the win column?

NO. . . WE SHOULDN'T.

No, we shouldn't!! Get the pitchforks ready. Let's fry this guy (and his male lover too).

TT, you're going down! No more 13-win seasons. It's embarassing.

(Sorry, Woodbuck. It's unfair to razz you, but it's )

[b bulldog]

Whats with all the old topics being reborn?

[SkinBasket]

What the hell else are people going to do this week?

I think it's interesting to see pre vs post season thoughts. And I use the term "thoughts" loosely when talking about Woodbuck.