Say Hello To Pacman, Mr. Vick

[RashanGary]

pitbulls are really cool dogs. They have a lot of energy in my expereince and they are a little intimidating but they love to play and the ones I've met love people. Just thought I'd add that....

[Joemailman]

SNL Skit about Michael Vick

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5403127121800446296&q=michael+vick

[packinpatland]

pitbulls are really cool dogs. They have a lot of energy in my expereince and they are a little intimidating but they love to play and the ones I've met love people. Just thought I'd add that....

Aside from the fact that they have the 'killer instincts' bred into them, they are probably very cuddly, and all families with little children should have several.
I myself, will stick to the dumber than dumb Golden Retrievers.

[Bretsky]

pitbulls are really cool dogs. They have a lot of energy in my expereince and they are a little intimidating but they love to play and the ones I've met love people. Just thought I'd add that....

Aside from the fact that they have the 'killer instincts' bred into them, they are probably very cuddly, and all families with little children should have several.
I myself, will stick to the dumber than dumb Golden Retrievers.

I have a hard time with the"killer instincts bred" into them idea. I know they are more apt to have these tendencies. I know a ton of Pit Bulls that are wonderful pets. They just need stronger owners and most then turn out fine IMO.

[Patler]

pitbulls are really cool dogs. They have a lot of energy in my expereince and they are a little intimidating but they love to play and the ones I've met love people. Just thought I'd add that....

Aside from the fact that they have the 'killer instincts' bred into them, they are probably very cuddly, and all families with little children should have several.
I myself, will stick to the dumber than dumb Golden Retrievers.

I have problems with condemning a breed. Dobermans, Rottweilers and German Shepherds also have been bred to be aggressive, expecially the Dobermans. All can be trained.

"Personalties" ( or is it "dogalities"?) vary significantly from one bred to the next. People need to know that and select their dogs according to what they can handle/tolerate. Then, owners need to be held responsible for the actions of their pets.

[Rastak]

pitbulls are really cool dogs. They have a lot of energy in my expereince and they are a little intimidating but they love to play and the ones I've met love people. Just thought I'd add that....

Aside from the fact that they have the 'killer instincts' bred into them, they are probably very cuddly, and all families with little children should have several.
I myself, will stick to the dumber than dumb Golden Retrievers.

I have problems with condemning a breed. Dobermans, Rottweilers and German Shepherds also have been bred to be aggressive, expecially the Dobermans. All can be trained.

"Personalties" ( or is it "dogalities"?) vary significantly from one bred to the next. People need to know that and select their dogs according to what they can handle/tolerate. Then, owners need to be held responsible for the actions of their pets.

Exactly......Pit Bulls can be fine dogs...it's the dregs of human kind that train them otherwise.


I never lament the end of human dregs.....

[Patler]

Please don't anyone take what I am going to write in the wrong way. I think dog fighting is a disgusting event, I feel the same about bull fighting, cock fighting and any other controlled event in which animals are tortured for human entertainment..

However, the visceral reaction most of us have to watching one dog kill another dog results from the rather unique relationship between humans and dogs. We empathize with the victim dog. Do you feel the same way when other animals battle to the death? Have you ever watched a cat kill a mouse? Have you ever watched the way a mousing cat will torment and torture the mouse, letting it "escape" only to recapture it again and again? Some cats will do this an incredibly long time, until the mouse is too weak to walk, and totally submits to its death. Now you may say this is necessary, for food. But that isn't completely true. Feral cats are a big problem in some areas, and many kill for sport and exercise, often not even eating their kill.

I think that is the perspective some in dog fighting have. They think the dogs are just doing what is natural for them. Of course where their argument falls down is that it is anything but a natural setting. In nature the animals are not forced to fight. One can avoid the other, escape, etc. In the fighting pit they can not.

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There really isn't any proof yet. I will withhold judgement until all the facts are established.

When has that ever stopped yo before?

He never lived at the mansion according to sources.

Your sources? Hahahaha, let me guess, some guy who buys chainlink fence at where you work?

Even though you all seem to think he is a punk, what has he done in the past to make you believe this? Aside from the Jewelry containing water bottle(which some douche down in the PO wanted to make into a big story by staying he smelled mj), he has stayed out of trouble for the most part.

Well lets see, "Ron Mexico"? You know, the guy that lied about who he was and gave some broad a lifetime STD? Yeah, Im sure he is trustable.

Innocent until proven guilty. No one knows the true facts but Vick. My guess is you'll see several more of these big media leaks and interviews with anonymous sources(who in there right mind is going to admit to comitting a felony just to rat someone else out? Sounds fishy to me).

You obviously dont know anything about how criminals and cops work. For all you know the guy who is snitching on vick has some other cases pending and will work out a deal for giving up vick. Then vick will also be given a chance to work out a deal for someone else's head tp save his own ass. It will keep going until someone stays quiet . That guy will be the one who gets the heavy load of charges. That is the way it works in the REAL world Partial. Not the one you searched on Google.

BTW - I think you dont even believe what you are saying and likely just enjoy being on the other end of the "mob" mentality like you have in the past.

I do predict when all is said and done that he won't be found guilty of being involved with any of this stuff. I don't know that he is. I didn't say my sources, I said sources. He claims he knows nothing about it. I haven't read many of the news articles on this so I may be completely wrong on the evidence.

In the end, he is probably involved to some extent. It's on his property, so who knows. All we know for sure is that his mansion was raided by the feds and they found evidence linking him to dog fighting. It remains to be seen if there is a stronger case and more evidence or not. We shall see.

I'm not ready to throw him in jail until we see some firm evidence, though.

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pitbulls are really cool dogs. They have a lot of energy in my expereince and they are a little intimidating but they love to play and the ones I've met love people. Just thought I'd add that....

My buddy has a pitbull. Cutest dog ever. I love that thing. It's so big and wobbly. Unfortunately, there is a bacteria that companies put in the mulch around here to preserve the color of it that the dog caught, and because of it she lost an eye. It's quite sad, but that is one happy, cute pooch.

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pitbulls are really cool dogs. They have a lot of energy in my expereince and they are a little intimidating but they love to play and the ones I've met love people. Just thought I'd add that....

Aside from the fact that they have the 'killer instincts' bred into them, they are probably very cuddly, and all families with little children should have several.
I myself, will stick to the dumber than dumb Golden Retrievers.

Bulldogs are actually great with children. You just have to find the right breed. Look up articles about which dogs are best for kids, and more often than not they say Labs and sometimes bulldogs.

[PackerBlues]

Just wanted to pipe in with my two cents worth.


Had a Pitbull when I was about 14. It was one of the most loving animals you would ever want. The only thing we had to worry about with it around children was just the fact that it was big and clumsy and liked to put its paws on people. So, a small child might get knocked down or be scared. The only problem we ever had with the dog was when a younger neighbor girl, (and trust me.....not a bright kid at all) chased the dog into her parents garage, and shut the door. She then apparently chased it around the garage and got the dog excited and it "nipped" her hand.


A friend of mine had a Doberman that they had gotten from a shelter. To them, it was a very loving animal and obeyed them completely. However, nobody else could get near the dog or the house without fear that the damned thing would rip your throat out, it just went that damned wild.


My cousin had Rotweilers (escuse my spelling) . They were big dumb lovable beasts. They were always well behaved the few times I visited them, but they would jump up on you. Like I said, they were big dogs, and could easily knock a guy over if they caught you off balance. I never heard of them having problems with their dogs, but damn.....they were big stocky animals, I could only imagine what it would be like to piss one of em off, lol.

Also wanted to add, that I would think that if Vick is as into dog-fighting as certain people seem to be claiming, that he would take enough "pride" in it to have pictures or video tapes laying around. I am not suggesting that he would be stupid enough to leave something incriminating just laying out, but if he has been doing it for as long as people are claiming that he has.......over the years, he may have gotten sloppy about it.

[Rastak]

Please don't anyone take what I am going to write in the wrong way. I think dog fighting is a disgusting event, I feel the same about bull fighting, cock fighting and any other controlled event in which animals are tortured for human entertainment..

However, the visceral reaction most of us have to watching one dog kill another dog results from the rather unique relationship between humans and dogs. We empathize with the victim dog. Do you feel the same way when other animals battle to the death? Have you ever watched a cat kill a mouse? Have you ever watched the way a mousing cat will torment and torture the mouse, letting it "escape" only to recapture it again and again? Some cats will do this an incredibly long time, until the mouse is too weak to walk, and totally submits to its death. Now you may say this is necessary, for food. But that isn't completely true. Feral cats are a big problem in some areas, and many kill for sport and exercise, often not even eating their kill.

I think that is the perspective some in dog fighting have. They think the dogs are just doing what is natural for them. Of course where their argument falls down is that it is anything but a natural setting. In nature the animals are not forced to fight. One can avoid the other, escape, etc. In the fighting pit they can not.

Hmmm, an odd perspective. I guess if we breed cats and mice both, and then stage the event while everyone cheers we could then compare the two.

[MJZiggy]

Bulldogs are actually great with children. You just have to find the right breed. Look up articles about which dogs are best for kids, and more often than not they say Labs and sometimes bulldogs.

Bulldogs and pit bulls are not the same breed. A pit bull is far closer to an AmStaff than a bulldog.

[packinpatland]

My cousin had Rotweilers (escuse my spelling) . They were big dumb lovable beasts. They were always well behaved the few times I visited them, but they would jump up on you. Like I said, they were big dogs, and could easily knock a guy over if they caught you off balance. I never heard of them having problems with their dogs, but damn.....they were big stocky animals, I could only imagine what it would be like to piss one of em off, lol.


Anyone 'read' Good Dog Carl?

[MJZiggy]

My cousin had Rotweilers (escuse my spelling) . They were big dumb lovable beasts. They were always well behaved the few times I visited them, but they would jump up on you. Like I said, they were big dogs, and could easily knock a guy over if they caught you off balance. I never heard of them having problems with their dogs, but damn.....they were big stocky animals, I could only imagine what it would be like to piss one of em off, lol.


Anyone 'read' Good Dog Carl?

Yes. Carl Goes to Daycare. Just who I want taking care of a school...