HR Record vs TD record

[4and12to12and4]

Well, if we're going to judge Bonds due to his cockiness and "surly" behavior, Babe Ruth should have his records completely erased from all the books, he was the cockiest, most obnoxious asshole to ever put on a baseball cap.

I guess I stick up for Bonds because as a teenager, growing up in Wisconsin, I was a Cubs fan and my buddies were Brewers fans and they liked all American League teams (Brewers were in the AL then, of course) and Cubs were in the NL, and we had debates constantly whether Bonds or Griffey Jr. was the better player. I was for the NL Bonds, they were for the AL Griffey. I have called them periodically over the past 15 years rubbing it in their face that I was right and they were wrong, and in the past five years, they have pulled this steroid issue out of their asses to claim Griffey was better (as if they KNOW he never took steroids). Anyways, so my love and defense for Bonds has generated from my earlier days. So, regardless of the steroids, I love the guy, and am amazed at his ability to only swing at strikes, and put up the numbers he puts up when noone pitches to him. I will alwasy defend him, and I could care less if he's a prick to the press. They have historically hounded him. If I were a professional athlete, I'd probably be like Tuna, Cowboys coach and just treat them all like leaches because that's all they are. I'm glad he speaks his mind and tells them to go to hell. The media are all a bunch of pricks who will turn on an athlete in a new york minute if it will help their story. Go Barry, I just hope he doesn't get his homers this week when they play against my Cubbies.

[RashanGary]

Thanks for the info on Mays Patler. This is just another example of how numbers can be easily misread.

All people see is the # posted, rarely are the numbers anylized in the appropriate context. That's why Bonds hitting these HR's doesn't bother me. I simply knock him down to where I think he belongs. The # just isn't important to me.

Sounds like you have a good feel for the Mays/Aaron era and feel Mays was the better player despite the numbers. History will never do it justice but for those who watched and those who understand, Mays might be the man of his era.

[HarveyWallbangers]

For what it's worth. More than half the league's players were polled, and the winner for most disliked player was Barry Bonds. He had around 1/4 of the vote. Ironically, Jeff Kent was second with just under 20%. That must have been a great clubhouse atmosphere in San Fran.

[4and12to12and4]

So what, once again, I'm sure most of Babe Ruth's teammates couldn't stand him either, it hasn't changed his image as the greatest baseball icon of all time.

[Scott Campbell]

Well, if we're going to judge Bonds due to his cockiness and "surly" behavior, Babe Ruth should have his records completely erased from all the books, he was the cockiest, most obnoxious asshole to ever put on a baseball cap.

I'm no historian, but from every account I've ever read, Ty Cobb was far worse.

[MadtownPacker]

As a Giants fan in Cali I have to say that the HR record brings lil joy to a so far lousy season. I think Bonds would have had a shot at it without the juice. But what is done is done and count me as one of the many that have lost hope for "America's past time". Partly due to Bonds but mostly due to the fact baseball is too slow a game and too long a season.

[Rastak]

Well, if we're going to judge Bonds due to his cockiness and "surly" behavior, Babe Ruth should have his records completely erased from all the books, he was the cockiest, most obnoxious asshole to ever put on a baseball cap.

No, that would be Ty Cobb.

[woodbuck27]

Arrrgh, I just tried to catch a pass from Favre on Steroids!

That's too funny !!!!

I had Hammerin' Hank as my hero from 1957 till he retired. I saw 90% of his HR's at least in print. He has a record (still . . .I believe of most total bases ) that is as or more impressive than his HR record.

Aaron had all five talents of a superior ballplayer.

Power,hit for average,speed,arm and defense as a right fielder. He and Roberto Clemente were the best RFer's in their era.

Barry Bonds may be tainted by the steroids scandal, no less he is an amazing outfielder.

Barry Bonds is the only member of the 500 - 500 club. 500 HR's and 500 stolen bases. He has won 8 Golden Gloves compared to 3 for Hank Aaron but in Aaron's era there were better more talented outfielder's of great fame. Willie Mays, Curt Flood, Stan Musial and Clemente in the NL are just a few that come to mind.

Bary Bonds is definitely one of the finest ball players of this era.He is more flamboyant and moody than the quiet down to business Aaron.

Aaron was feared as a hitter and respected alot as a man and person overall and will always be one of the very best thjat came fer. a career in PRO ball.His work for under privaleged youth since he retired is exemplary.

I also believe that the starting pitching was arguably better back in Aaron's era.

How do we compare payers of different era's.

That's difficult.

The baseball HR record will be held in much higher esteem than the NFL TD record.

Brett Favre will always be best remembered for his current consecutive starts streak.That is utterly amazing for a NFL QB.