Favre, Thompson, Rogers. The End.

[GrnBay007]

If only I wasn't a PC idiot I could be a hacker

yeah, yeah, you just pretend you don't know how to post a pic or change your avatar. :P

[Bretsky]

I'll be disappointed with 7-9 and consider it a success with 9-7. 8-8 is a draw. I never really painted myself in a corner. I'll be disappointed with 7-9 as a fan but if there is a ton of injuries I won't blame it on TT. You set the parameters as they relate to TT in the rigid ways you view them, not me

I just appreciate it when people actually set parameters; most TTers avoid them like a plague. I think there were other comments about this from you that led me to my comment....maybe I'm wrong......I had to go back to May to find those and I don't have it in me to keep looking.

[Scott Campbell]

You've been quite upfront; I'm not sure you fall into the TT at all costs group. Many are in the wait and see group to different extremes. You may have a pro bias, but you are definitely in the wait and see group.

I think you are a bit harsh though; GB is not as good as the Bears. I'd be fine with an improved record or wildcard. In a sad NFC, 9 wins will probably get us to the playoffs.

I won't assume he's stupid. I won't assume he's inept. I won't assume he doesn't have a plan. I won't assume that he's not desperately trying to upgrade the roster at the RB, S and TE positions.

What I will assume is that there is a lot going on behind the scenes that the general public will never know about. And many of these things could very well explain why the players that we want are not the players that we got.

Now if he trades up to draft a BJ Sander in the 3rd, then I'll just assume he's an idiot.

[RashanGary]

Haha, B.

I'm not going to paint TT into a record expectation because so much goes into it. I expect TT to keep this team improving and we should be at least 8-8 if we improve, but I'm not going to give up on TT if the record falls short an other things show signs of being on the up and up.

I will give up if the team shows it's not getting better. If we take steps back and it's clear we're not competitive. I've said that before and I've promised to jump off TT's wagon if that happened. I've never promised to jump off based on the record. Too much goes into it.

[HarveyWallbangers]

What I don't get it those who want to give TT a free pass. Blind faith and no parameters whatsoever from which to judge him by.

You talking to me?


Whether you agree with it or not, I've said several times that I give Thompson a free pass for 2005. He took over a team that was 10-6, but it was pretty obvious to any fair-minded person that he took over an old team that got weak off a shitty division. A team that had a terrible salary cap situation. He couldn't rebuild that year--since the team WAS coming off a 10-6 season. To me, I started really judging him starting in 2006. I like the forward progress. He's made plenty of mistakes, but he now has a team that has a lot of young talent and has a REALLY healthy salary cap situation for the foreseeable future--and not just because the cap has gone up. I think he made a good, if "unsexy," choice for head coach. There are guys that I wish he would have gone after, but I'm not privy to the practices, so I don't know enough to know whether he should have had as much faith on his young players as he does. I expect him to do more (e.g. next year) once this team truly becomes chamionship caliber to put them over the top. For now, I'd like to see them build off last year. I'm not that big on wins and losses. I'd like to see them beat the teams they should and hang with the upper echelon teams.

This is year 2 in the rebuilding process. I give him 3 years to complete it.

[Bretsky]

What I don't get it those who want to give TT a free pass. Blind faith and no parameters whatsoever from which to judge him by.

You talking to me?


Whether you agree with it or not, I've said several times that I give Thompson a free pass for 2005. He took over a team that was 10-6, but it was pretty obvious to any fair-minded person that he took over an old team that got weak off a shitty division. A team that had a terrible salary cap situation. He couldn't rebuild that year--since the team WAS coming off a 10-6 season. To me, I started really judging him starting in 2006. I like the forward progress. He's made plenty of mistakes, but he now has a team that has a lot of young talent and has a REALLY healthy salary cap situation for the foreseeable future--and not just because the cap has gone up. I think he made a good, if "unsexy," choice for head coach. There are guys that I wish he would have gone after, but I'm not privy to the practices, so I don't know enough to know whether he should have had as much faith on his young players as he does. I expect him to do more (e.g. next year) once this team truly becomes chamionship caliber to put them over the top. For now, I'd like to see them build off last year. I'm not that big on wins and losses. I'd like to see them beat the teams they should and hang with the upper echelon teams.

No was not referring to you at all; you are in the wait and see group. We probably have several similar views; I'm just less patient...I think. And I'll probably consider wins and losses more.....guess that's the main difference

[PackerBlues]

What I don't get it those who want to give TT a free pass. Blind faith and no parameters whatsoever from which to judge him by.

You talking to me?


Whether you agree with it or not, I've said several times that I give Thompson a free pass for 2005. He took over a team that was 10-6, but it was pretty obvious to any fair-minded person that he took over an old team that got weak off a shitty division. A team that had a terrible salary cap situation. He couldn't rebuild that year--since the team WAS coming off a 10-6 season. To me, I started really judging him starting in 2006. I like the forward progress. He's made plenty of mistakes, but he now has a team that has a lot of young talent and has a REALLY healthy salary cap situation for the foreseeable future--and not just because the cap has gone up. I think he made a good, if "unsexy," choice for head coach. There are guys that I wish he would have gone after, but I'm not privy to the practices, so I don't know enough to know whether he should have had as much faith on his young players as he does. I expect him to do more (e.g. next year) once this team truly becomes chamionship caliber to put them over the top. For now, I'd like to see them build off last year. I'm not that big on wins and losses. I'd like to see them beat the teams they should and hang with the upper echelon teams.

No was not referring to you at all; you are in the wait and see group. We probably have several similar views; I'm just less patient...I think

Like I have said, I am loyal to Favre to a fault. I was so pissed off watching the beatings Favre took when his scrambling wasnt enough. It was a tough season to watch. Mix that with losing Walker (which may have been out of his hands also), I have become more upset by the fact that he has not found a reciever of equal talent in two years.

So not only am I less patient, I am also a lot less forgiving.

[HarveyWallbangers]

No was not referring to you at all; you are in the wait and see group. We probably have several similar views; I'm just less patient...I think. And I'll probably consider wins and losses more.....guess that's the main difference

I thought real games would help calm things down, but some people are still in offseason mode. What did you think of the first game? You have to admit it was a much better effort then we've seen in the first preseason game for about the last seven years. I know the first team offense struggled, but that's happened plenty of times before with Favre. This first home preseason game is usually when he starts showing something. The whole 1st team offense was off, but it was a lot of little things that are correctable. Personally, I was afraid we'd see another typical preseason opener against a blitzing 3-4 defense, and not just with the first team. I was somewhat pleasantly surprisdes--although I realize it's just a preseason game and means nothing. Glad there were no serious injuries--more than anything. I think the depth is better. Last year, I felt like we had about a half dozen or more question marks. This year, I'm only worried about three positions (S, TE, RB). My concern with Jackson isn't his running ability or his pass catching. Have to hope he is adequate in pass protection. Unlike you, I do think Morency has to play a solid role on the team this year for us to have a chance at the playoffs.

[GrnBay007]

I thought real games would help calm things down, but some people are still in offseason mode.

I did too!! ...esp. a win!!! Now I'm hoping it's a regular season game that does the trick.

[Bretsky]

No was not referring to you at all; you are in the wait and see group. We probably have several similar views; I'm just less patient...I think. And I'll probably consider wins and losses more.....guess that's the main difference

I thought real games would help calm things down, but some people are still in offseason mode. What did you think of the first game? You have to admit it was a much better effort then we've seen in the first preseason game for about the last seven years. I know the first team offense struggled, but that's happened plenty of times before with Favre. This first home preseason game is usually when he starts showing something. The whole 1st team offense was off, but it was a lot of little things that are correctable. Personally, I was afraid we'd see another typical preseason opener against a blitzing 3-4 defense, and not just with the first team. I was somewhat pleasantly surprisdes--although I realize it's just a preseason game and means nothing. Glad there were no serious injuries--more than anything. I think the depth is better. Last year, I felt like we had about a half dozen or more question marks. This year, I'm only worried about three positions (S, TE, RB). My concern with Jackson isn't his running ability or his pass catching. Have to hope he is adequate in pass protection. Unlike you, I do think Morency has to play a solid role on the team this year for us to have a chance at the playoffs.

I've gave some of my kool aide views on the game in a different thread, but here they are

1. I saw talent in Jackson; as you know I'm not a Morency guy but I see upside in Jackson and first impressions are good

2. The DL looks rock solid. Jenkins...impressive

3. The OL has plenty of improving to do still

4. Rodgers played an excellent game; jury still out, but I'm higher on him than I have been in the past

5. Jones has good hands, Holiday looks like he should make it. Fraud needs to pack his bags

6. The safeties still do not look good. Underwood needs to go on the PUP or IR and get fully recovered from the looks of it

7. I think Blackmond is improving

8. Favre is not a big concern, but once he has a bad game or two I see certain people blowing up the forum with the Rodgers cries

9. We really need to scour the waiver wire for the TE's or make a trade happen.

10. Crosby looks really good.

[PackerBlues]

8. Favre is not a big concern, but once he has a bad game or two I see certain people blowing up the forum with the Rodgers cries

Using our 1st round pick on Rogers was a mistake that year. Why?

Thompson is building this team around a strong Defense, not a good QB. Considering as how Thompson is building this team around a strong defense, an average QB with enough smarts to manage the game is all that you need. Not to hard to find in Free Agency......if you have the balls to use it.

Rogers has not started a single game in the two years he has been here, and might not start one for another year or more. Had Thompson used that pick on any other player at any other position, chances are, we would have had a starter at that position by now.

Most Thompson supporters/apologist do not like to admit that Picking Rogers was a mistake. They seem to think that when Rogers gets his start, their faith in, and loyalty to Thompson will be vindicated. That it will make everyone else forget the mistake, or at the very least, that they will no longer have to make excuses for said mistake.

Dont get me wrong, I have no problem with Rogers as a person or a player. Again, to me, he is just one more, in a long line, of Brett Favre's back-ups. Did I see improvement in Rogers against the Steelers? Hell yeah I did. But he is still just the back up QB, not the starter. If Thompson and M3 are planning on building this team around a strong Defense, and not a HOF QB, then damned near any QB will work to simply manage the game.

[Scott Campbell]

Most Thompson supporters/apologist do not like to admit that Picking Rogers was a mistake. They seem to think that when Rogers gets his start, their faith in, and loyalty to Thompson will be vindicated.

I think you have a hard enough time keeping track of what you yourself are thinking, much less anyone else. Why don't you let people speak for themselves?

[PackerBlues]

I think you have a hard enough time keeping track of what you yourself are thinking, much less anyone else. Why don't you let people speak for themselves?

Feel free to speak for yourself, I just did. Anytime you want to voice your own opinion, go right ahead. They say that there is a first time for everything, but in your case, I won't hold my breath.

[SkinBasket]

Feel free to speak for yourself, I just did. Anytime you want to voice your own opinion, go right ahead. They say that there is a first time for everything, but in your case, I won't hold my breath.

Yes, because SC is known for not voicing his opinion.

[woodbuck27]

A while back you stated quite clearly 9-7 was the mark

I "expect" the Packers to win the division. It's been 3 years. That doesn't mean that I think it will happen. It means I'll be dissapointed if we don't.

If we don't win the division, I'll be less likely to cut Ted slack. I may not be ready to fire him for a new guy. But I'll be wondering if Ted is the answer.

We're about as likely to win the NFCN in 2007 as we are to see hummingbirds in a salt shaker.