Ahman!

[Scott Campbell]

NO SURPRISED AT ALL HERE

WE WILL GREATLY MISS AHMAN

If I remember correctly, most everyone had hoped that we could find a way to keep Ahman. Then came the offer Houston put on the table for him and many decided he wasn't worth it. Whether you agree or not that he was worth the money, can you honestly say that you are happier with our RB situation vs having a Pro Bowl back with experience, power and speed?

Every one of us has something different on what we liked or didn't like about the off-season, draft, etc.... I guess it's safe to assume that letting Green go was the biggest thorn in my side. It's not even just that...it's that nobody else was brought in. I know, I know ....."we're happy with what we have and we clearly feel there isn't anyone else better out there"

I wish Ahman nothing but the best this year

Maybe Ted has a plan for replacing Ahman - drafting 2 RB's a year until he hits on a guy.

Unless Ahman morphs into the second coming of John Riggins, I think Ted did the right thing in letting him go. But Green was a great Packer.

[Packnut]

Dreams

Green is a slighty above average back at this point in his career. A good player but hardly a playmaker and hardly irreplacable (and a fumbler). I'm not a huge Morency fan like some but the drop off from Green to Morency at this point in both of their careers is a lot smaller than people here let on IMO. Good for Green, he got his money and probably has one more good year left. We have a young back who will be here for the next 8 years, a 2nd RB that will be here for 5 years and a GM who will draft the next great running back if he appears to us. If the NFL ended and shut down at the end of the season it would have been nice to get Green but that small short term gain that everyone panics about helps far less than the harsh long term loss. Imagine if we did yesterday what people propose we do today, we wouldn't have options today You have to find a way to maximize the cap and get more talent than anyone esle. Wasting money hurts.

Man, are you EVER gonna wake up? Will you EVER let a player PRODUCE before telling us how great they are? For your info Jackson and Morency have done NOTHING. Green has proven himself and he might have 2 or 3 good years left. You slant everything to fit your opinion which really is nothing but blind loyalty to Teddy.

For the record, I thought Green was getting to much cash, but I did like Henry a whole lot. We'll see what our guys do as compared to Henry and a few others.

[RashanGary]

Some would argue we're doing just that by not spending it.

I understand that. I think Thompson believes in making a bunch of good football decisions, making good drafts, finding undrafted guys, bringing in a UFA or two once in a while. The problem is that we had a bunch of bad drafts in a row. We really didn't get too many players to pay. Now we don't know what to do with our money and we have to push it forward. In couple of years (assmuing Thompson drafts well) we'll spend our money and we'll have extra money becuase of what we're pushing forward now. That won't be the case in a couple years when Hawk, Jennings, Colledge, Collins, Poppinga, Rodgers, Spitz, Moll, Jackson, Jones, Crosby, Harrell, Jolly and others start needing paydays. For now though, we're sort of stuck with the team Sherman gave us and TT doesn't believe in making another mistake to fix the original mistake. He'd rather wait until a real solution comes along. It's not the fastest way, but I believe it's a method that will allow for more talent under the cap and the best shot at a SB.

[RashanGary]

Re: Dreams

Man, are you EVER gonna wake up? Will you EVER let a player PRODUCE before telling us how great they are? For your info Jackson and Morency have done NOTHING. Green has proven himself and he might have 2 or 3 good years left. You slant everything to fit your opinion which really is nothing but blind loyalty to Teddy.

For the record, I thought Green was getting to much cash, but I did like Henry a whole lot. We'll see what our guys do as compared to Henry and a few others.

I like Henry a lot too. I didn't know how much he had left, but he looks like the regular Travis Henry in Denver. As much as you want the whole story to be told in one seasons work, the NFL doesn't really work that way. Decisions are ultimately judged over the whole coarse of it's influence. I know you can't understand taht becuase we've tried these discussions before so we just have to agree to disagree.

[Packnut]

Re: Dreams

Man, are you EVER gonna wake up? Will you EVER let a player PRODUCE before telling us how great they are? For your info Jackson and Morency have done NOTHING. Green has proven himself and he might have 2 or 3 good years left. You slant everything to fit your opinion which really is nothing but blind loyalty to Teddy.

For the record, I thought Green was getting to much cash, but I did like Henry a whole lot. We'll see what our guys do as compared to Henry and a few others.

I like Henry a lot too. I didn't know how much he had left, but he looks like the regular Travis Henry in Denver. As much as you want the whole story to be told in one seasons work, the NFL doesn't really work that way. Decisions are ultimately judged over the whole coarse of it's influence. I know you can't understand taht becuase we've tried these discussions before so we just have to agree to disagree.

No, Ted Thompson does'nt work that way. The rest of the NFL does.

[Bretsky]

And how much are we under the cap right now?

13,000,000

Being this far under with no worthy FA signing has to be a thorn in your side. It'll grow to 35,000,000 next year and you'll still have your sig.

[Bretsky]

NO SURPRISED AT ALL HERE

WE WILL GREATLY MISS AHMAN

If I remember correctly, most everyone had hoped that we could find a way to keep Ahman. Then came the offer Houston put on the table for him and many decided he wasn't worth it. Whether you agree or not that he was worth the money, can you honestly say that you are happier with our RB situation vs having a Pro Bowl back with experience, power and speed?

Every one of us has something different on what we liked or didn't like about the off-season, draft, etc.... I guess it's safe to assume that letting Green go was the biggest thorn in my side. It's not even just that...it's that nobody else was brought in. I know, I know ....."we're happy with what we have and we clearly feel there isn't anyone else better out there"

I wish Ahman nothing but the best this year

Once Fred Taylor signed for the money that he received, it was apparent to me that the chances of losing Ahman Green with TT as the GM were very real.

That really was the current market deal TT should have been working off of if he wanted to keep Green.

As it turns out, to even my surprise, Green got a better deal than Fred Taylor.

That is why it was so necessary to CLOSE a deal before free agency.

[RashanGary]

Re: Dreams

No, Ted Thompson does'nt work that way. The rest of the NFL does.

panicnut, it's all going to be told over time. You have your opinions. I think they are rediculous. I have mine and you think they are rediculous. I don't know how likely you are to be convinced of anything I say but I can tell you that the odds of me being convinced of the idiocy that spews from your mouth is little to none. I think our discussions are a pretty big waste of time right now.

[Bretsky]

Some would argue we're doing just that by not spending it.

The problem is that we had a bunch of bad drafts in a row. We really didn't get too many players to pay. Now we don't know what to do with our money and we have to push it forward. In couple of years (assmuing Thompson drafts well) we'll spend our money and we'll have extra money becuase of what we're pushing forward now. That won't be the case in a couple years when Hawk, Jennings, Colledge, Collins, Poppinga, Rodgers, Spitz, Moll, Jackson, Jones, Crosby, Harrell, Jolly and others start needing paydays. For now though, we're sort of stuck with the team Sherman gave us and TT doesn't believe in making another mistake to fix the original mistake. He'd rather wait until a real solution comes along. It's not the fastest way, but I believe it's a method that will allow for more talent under the cap and the best shot at a SB.

We don't have to push any money forward; I don't understand what you are saying there. That's TT's choice. Hard to argue that IMO


Stuck with the team Sherman left us. TT has cleaned out nearly all of Sherman's players. We're left with nothing but TT draft picks (mostly a good thing) and the multitude of draft picks he has brought in.

Too many want to give TT a free pass by playing the Sherman card. TT has been here a few years now.

The only players from Sherman years we are stuck with are Chad Clifton, Mark Tauscher, Scott Wells, Bubba Franks, Donald Driver, Cullen Jenkins, Nick Barnett, Al Harris, and Corey Williams.

You could add Ahman Green but we let him walk out of here and into free agency with no return.

I'd add Javon Walker, but since TT traded him away Sherman at least gets some credit for the draft picks Javon Walker brought.

Not a bad start from those Sherman years.

[Bretsky]

Re: Dreams

Man, are you EVER gonna wake up? Will you EVER let a player PRODUCE before telling us how great they are? For your info Jackson and Morency have done NOTHING. Green has proven himself and he might have 2 or 3 good years left. You slant everything to fit your opinion which really is nothing but blind loyalty to Teddy.

For the record, I thought Green was getting to much cash, but I did like Henry a whole lot. We'll see what our guys do as compared to Henry and a few others.

I like Henry a lot too. I didn't know how much he had left, but he looks like the regular Travis Henry in Denver. As much as you want the whole story to be told in one seasons work, the NFL doesn't really work that way. Decisions are ultimately judged over the whole coarse of it's influence. I know you can't understand taht becuase we've tried these discussions before so we just have to agree to disagree.

With Henry already receiving strike one on the drug policy, it would have required some real stones to sign him.

[falco]

Too bad some of the cap room couldn't have been used to extend Walker....

[RashanGary]

What I mean when I say stuck with the team Sherman gave us is that Thompson can't go out and force good decisions. Great teams are built over multiple years of good decisions, not just one off season. Also, the decisions to irresponsibly spend money help some now but hurt down the road just like when Sherm was in office. Thompson is about making good decisions for many years in a row just like the other championship teams. Unfortunately, people don't like the "many years in a row" part when you team has only strung together 2 or 3. I think you are going to have to be patient but I see that you are not going to be so it is what it is, B.

[Bretsky]

Too bad some of the cap room couldn't have been used to extend Walker....

I'd bet that was a choice TT might make knowing what he does now.

To Ted Thompson's credit, he admits to making mistakes in the JW process.
He didn't give up any specifics or say what he'd have done differently, but I give him credit for at least owning up.

[Bretsky]

What I mean when I say stuck with the team Sherman gave us is that Thompson can't go out and force good decisions. Great teams are built over multiple years of good decisions, not just one off season. Also, the decisions to irresponsibly spend money help some now but hurt down the road just like when Sherm was in office. Thompson is about making good decisions for many years in a row just like the other championship teams. Unfortunately, people don't like the "many years in a row" part when you team has only strung together 2 or 3. I think you are going to have to be patient but I see that you are not going to be so it is what it is, B.

Yup, you are exactly right; it sucks being an instant gratification kind of guy

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is a comment from Mr. Obvious, but you really can't judge the Ahman Green decision this year. He signed a 5 year contract (if memory serves), so that means Houston has to get good value out of him for 2 or 3 years.

Right now, losing Ahman looks bad, real bad. I think the VERY soonest we could evaluate is November, December when we see how Jackson and Green have developed and/or held up.