On Favre and his not retiring

[PackerBlues]

I think your comparison of the team and what has been done to make it better, and a car going on a long road trip is spot on Woodbuck. Seeing that 12 million in cap room is a real bite in the ass when added to what we are seeing from Randy Moss, who Thompson "thought he had a deal in place with".


At the same time though, I am starting to lean towards jumping onto the Thompson bandwagon simply because I do see so much potential in this team. Granted, even if this Packer team does make the playoffs, I have no doubt that it will get creamed early on in the Playoffs.


My biggest gripe is the cap room that we have, and the lack of talent on Offense. Not a damned thing that we can do about it, other than let Thompson and those that support him know that we are not happy about it. Sadly, those complaints will fall on deaf ears here in these forums........until the injury bug hits, ( knock on wood) most people are content with what we have.

The only way I could be truly happy with what we have, is if Favre promises to play for another year beyond this one. In my honest opinion, this team is close, really close to being one of the best teams in the league.

[Him8123]

this is a bunch of blah blah B.S. I must have missed the memo on the battle that Favre and the packers are having. I thought it was against other teams not themselves. What battle? a young 2-0 and improving what does anyone in the packers org. have to be battling about? I never saw anyone disrespect Favre.

[Brainerd]

He wants Favre to RETIRE ASAP.

No. What he wanted was Favre reigned in and I think he has achieved that. TT has had multiple opportunities to get rid of Favre over the past few years given to him by Favre himself and has consistently resisted the temptation.

[Lurker64]

I think your comparison of the team and what has been done to make it better, and a car going on a long road trip is spot on Woodbuck. Seeing that 12 million in cap room is a real bite in the ass when added to what we are seeing from Randy Moss, who Thompson "thought he had a deal in place with".

I remember seeing a figure recently that there are actually several teams with about as much cap space as we do, including a few teams that look to contend this year (I can't find the figures, if anybody else can I'd appreciate it.) As I've come to understand it, the current leading theory among many capologists is that you don't spend all the present cap to build the present team, you save a chunk of it to protect the future cap. The key is flexibility, since if you spend the remainder of your cap money by the end of the year restructuring or extending contracts in ways that result in minimal future cap hits, you're basically buying yourself more cap room in the future and hence more flexibility.

I have no doubt that Thompson is eventually going to spend that money, I just think that he's likely going to spend it on things like "restructuring KGB's contract" and "extending Corey Williams", instead of picking up whatever might be available in free agency.

I can only hope that this sort of plan eventually does pay off (for us, I don't care about the other teams doing it) when there are eventually free agent difference makers that we're able to outbid other folks on. I'm personally of the mind that if Tony Gonzales had made it to free agency this year, that Thompson probably would have thrown together a substantial offer. He didn't, so you might as well save that money for the next time a comparable player is available.

[woodbuck27]

I think your comparison of the team and what has been done to make it better, and a car going on a long road trip is spot on Woodbuck. Seeing that 12 million in cap room is a real bite in the ass when added to what we are seeing from Randy Moss, who Thompson "thought he had a deal in place with".


At the same time though, I am starting to lean towards jumping onto the Thompson bandwagon simply because I do see so much potential in this team. Granted, even if this Packer team does make the playoffs, I have no doubt that it will get creamed early on in the Playoffs.


My biggest gripe is the cap room that we have, and the lack of talent on Offense. Not a damned thing that we can do about it, other than let Thompson and those that support him know that we are not happy about it. Sadly, those complaints will fall on deaf ears here in these forums........until the injury bug hits, ( knock on wood) most people are content with what we have.

The only way I could be truly happy with what we have. Is if Favre promises to play for another year beyond this one. In my honest opinion, this team is close, really close to being one of the best teams in the league.

Hey Packer fan don't leave the ship.

YOU have been 100% bang on right up the middle of the lane and smack in for a strike correct in your passion for the Packer team and Favre and our future as long as we go on with Ted Thompson's incompetence that I believe isn't rally his fault.

He must serve his master.

It's so very real to me and I have had to be so patient as I watch the same crappy style of managing from him. He has treated Brett Favre with horrid disrespect and every Packer fan that chooses to turn away from that fact must not come from the same way or neck of the woods as I have.

I was raised to see and call a spade a spade. To never shirk from people that lean to the weaker side or pretend all's just rosy or swell.Too many people want to be a part of the main group, to belong and they get lost in just that too often.

Then there are the delusions that many suffer and in their blindmness really arn't aware that they are deluded.

Then there are the propogandidists that will tell you that that orange your seeing is an apple.These people are the most challenging, and well, certainly frustrating to me as a simple human being to hopes for the best outcomes.

This forum has many that are just that. It's a lot more that different strokes for different folks for me when it comes to the Packers and mu support of Favre. One member here defcided a week or so ago to paint me as just about Favre and DD.

What a load of horseshit. I didn't even waist my time in response to such ignorance.

I am all the way into this now with any Packer fan that realizes the TRUTHand our need to have a GM that is active in securing a stronger team for us the Packer fan rather than being a super acountant with the same4 personality of most I've viewed in that field.Poor souls that they appear.

Now I'm sure that there are some really cool acountants but where are they hiding?

Favre isn't going to change and neither is Ted Thompson.That's the dilemma I see as a Packer fan and I support Favre. I support the team and the teams players as I'm a blue collar sort of guy and I can't escape that.

Favre wants to win and TT wants to win soon without the expese of Favre and the sad part is that Aaron rodgers if and when he treplaces Favre will earn what about $7 million and that's about $% Million less than Brett that has never scalded the packer Organization over money.

WE are winning and how much more easily we coulkd be behing our team in a real sense if TT had given into our needs and supported Favre's will to win that will go on no matter what.He's die on the football field trying for the win. Thompson obviously didn't want to give him any more incentive to play beyond 2007.

That is too clear and intelligent people here will deny and remain in denial of that obvious fact.

[woodbuck27]

Those people will be pleased to know I have to go now.

GO PACK GO !

[MJZiggy]

this is a bunch of blah blah B.S. I must have missed the memo on the battle that Favre and the packers are having. I thought it was against other teams not themselves. What battle? a young 2-0 and improving what does anyone in the packers org. have to be battling about? I never saw anyone disrespect Favre.

Well said, but Woodbuck'll never buy it. Because Favre likes these kids. TT didn't buy them for him so the fact that Favre himself likes them is not good enough for Buck.

[BallHawk]

Woody, what I'm finding frustrating is that you're not really discussing your opinion, you're telling us that you are right and everybody else that doesn't agree with you is wrong. I know you could care less what other people think, but would it kill ya to be a little less.....arrogant?

[HarveyWallbangers]

<-- Woody

[RashanGary]

I respect Woodbuck for standing up for his opinion at the hardest possible time. Too many people give up and flip flop, pretending like they were on ship the whole time.

That said, you are becoming irrelivant Woodbuck

Go Brett!! Go TT!! Go Packers!!

[PackerBlues]

It's all good Woody, I have never backed down from a fight, and I probably never will. I have fought guys who outweighed me by over a hundred pounds, and taken on as many as 3 guys at once (got my ass kicked quite handily too, lol ), but there is really no fight here anymore.


Whats done is done, we cannot get Moss. Green is gone. By now the argument that there is nobody worth bringing in, is actually true, as opposed to when that argument was first raised, and there actually was a few guys worth bringing in.


Like it or not, the season has started, and we have what we have. I am not giving up on the fact that I think that Thompson shorted our Offense, because I still think that he did. However the team is set, and I LOVE the Packers. This group of young players is our team now, and they have my full support.

For anyone to think that I have given up on wanting more for this team, just wait until next offseason , cause if you thought that I was unbearable during the last offseason, lol............

[RashanGary]

For anyone to think that I have given up on wanting more for this team, just wait until next offseason , cause if you thought that I was unbearable during the last offseason, lol............

Wait until next year?

Why, are you going to bitch and complain all off season only to see Ted Thompsons Packers come back stronger than you ever thought possible, AGAIN? haha, just playin. I'm a TT supporter. I'll play the trash talking game just like the haters

[PackerBlues]

Wait until next year?

Why, are you going to bitch and complain all off season only to see Ted Thompsons Packers come back stronger than you ever thought possible, AGAIN? haha,..........

heh heh........ we can only hope JH.

[Deputy Nutz]

PB is making sense, Woodbuck, well he has never made sense and although I like the guy I can't read his posts, Half way through I think he is supporting this or that, and then when I get to the end of the post Woodbuck does a 180 on me and I am left with ???? What the fuck does this guy really mean?

I finally understood that he doesn't enjoy Ted Thompson 2 hours ago.

[MJZiggy]

PB is making sense, Woodbuck, well he has never made sense and although I like the guy I can't read his posts, Half way through I think he is supporting this or that, and then when I get to the end of the post Woodbuck does a 180 on me and I am left with ???? What the fuck does this guy really mean?

I finally understood that he doesn't enjoy Ted Thompson 2 hours ago.

The beans in the ass and the piss in the shorts didn't make it clear to you?? (just remember, he said it, not me.)