Our Run Game

[Packnut]

Why does it take coaches, who are assumed to be smarter than we are, longer to realize the simple truth? As an example, most of us here knew KGB could'nt stop the run. We saw how he could never hold the point of attack and was always pushed aside like a rag doll. We saw it, so why did'nt our coaching staff?

Most of us saw Manuel was horrible yet he went into training camp as the starter. Valuable time was lost giving him 1st team reps. Another example of our staff being a tad slow.

Now we come to our run game, or lack of it. Yes we're 4-0 and it has'nt hurt yet, but again just like in the above examples, the great majority of us know it's only a matter of time. Only a fool would believe this problem is gonna get better. The ZBS is a failure. It's a mute point to debate why, it's just time to accept it and move on. Now it would be one thing if this season was a waste and we needed to stick with it in hopes of being better next season. We all know this is'nt the case and with the way Brett and our D is playing, sticking with what does'nt work is foolish and could waste a golden opportunity.

From what we've seen, I think most would agree Wynn is our best back at the moment. His strength is the power run game, so why not simplify our blocking scheme back to man on man and let Winn get 2.5 to 3 ypr? Yes may-be Grant or Morency does have some potential to once in a while break one in our ZBS, but is it worth all the negative plays in order to attain 1 or 2 great runs?

More importantly, my main concern is our failed 3rd and short miscues. We've all seen it before. Offenses who rely on spreading it out and throwing constantly blow 3rd and short 90% of the time. Why not just accept failure and use the simplest method available right now? Favre and our pass game is good enough to carry us so we don't have to worry about running on 1st and 2nd down, but we must be able to run on 3rd and short especially near the goal line. It cost us last year and almost cost us the Charger game. Why wait until it eventually does bite us in the rear?

"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it". The NFL history says we have to run the ball sooner or later so let's just make the best out of what is a bad situation right now. Return to the power run game that Cliffy and Taush excell in. Coston is a big boy and running behind him in order to pick up a yard or two ani't a bad way to go........

[3irty1]

Re: Our Run Game

Why does it take coaches, who are assumed to be smarter than we are, longer to realize the simple truth? As an example, most of us here knew KGB could'nt stop the run. We saw how he could never hold the point of attack and was always pushed aside like a rag doll. We saw it, so why did'nt our coaching staff?

Most of us saw Manuel was horrible yet he went into training camp as the starter. Valuable time was lost giving him 1st team reps. Another example of our staff being a tad slow.

Now we come to our run game, or lack of it. Yes we're 4-0 and it has'nt hurt yet, but again just like in the above examples, the great majority of us know it's only a matter of time. Only a fool would believe this problem is gonna get better. The ZBS is a failure. It's a mute point to debate why, it's just time to accept it and move on. Now it would be one thing if this season was a waste and we needed to stick with it in hopes of being better next season. We all know this is'nt the case and with the way Brett and our D is playing, sticking with what does'nt work is foolish and could waste a golden opportunity.

From what we've seen, I think most would agree Wynn is our best back at the moment. His strength is the power run game, so why not simplify our blocking scheme back to man on man and let Winn get 2.5 to 3 ypr? Yes may-be Grant or Morency does have some potential to once in a while break one in our ZBS, but is it worth all the negative plays in order to attain 1 or 2 great runs?

More importantly, my main concern is our failed 3rd and short miscues. We've all seen it before. Offenses who rely on spreading it out and throwing constantly blow 3rd and short 90% of the time. Why not just accept failure and use the simplest method available right now? Favre and our pass game is good enough to carry us so we don't have to worry about running on 1st and 2nd down, but we must be able to run on 3rd and short especially near the goal line. It cost us last year and almost cost us the Charger game. Why wait until it eventually does bite us in the rear?

"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it". The NFL history says we have to run the ball sooner or later so let's just make the best out of what is a bad situation right now. Return to the power run game that Cliffy and Taush excell in. Coston is a big boy and running behind him in order to pick up a yard or two ani't a bad way to go........

They have been doing a little bit of power run.

[StPaulPackFan]

Packnut, I am beginning to agree with you on the run game. We drafted a RB that specifically fit the ZBS. Unfortunately, up to this point, Jackson has been ineffective executing in it.

Right now Wynn does look like the most gifted RB on the roster. I believe that if the O-line would get some movement forward, as opposed to trying to create seams, Wynn could get a head of steam going and create yards with his size and quickness. Plus, a smash-mouth O-line would seem to fit the character of this team much better than the "dive and trip" O-line that we currently have.

[Deputy Nutz]

Coston is so weak at the point of attack, even in the passing game. He simply doesn't have the attitude to man up against bigger defensive tackles. No killer instinct in him. Go watch Favre's 421st touchdown pass, Coston gets absolutely blown off the ball and knocked on his ass. Funny. Watch that play and tell me how he can actually help the run game.

I am not about to give up on the zone blocking scheme, but the fact is it sucks right now and I really don't know how to fix the scheme. I thought our linemen were really ready to have a break out season running the football, but they are really back to square one.

I guess you can line up and run a little counter trie but most coaches don't like to shit can there offensive scheme in the middle of the year. Losing Jags as coordinator hurt the running game. Thats the only thing I can think of in regards to the poor play by the offensive line.

Most teams have gone to a viaration of the zone running scheme. Most colleges run it, and even high schools are running it.

Tauscher should excel at it because that is all they ran at wisconsin. Why he is less than average now in 2007 is beyond me.

[retailguy]

If we're committed to the run game, and the ZBS, it is going to take a couple of years to properly implement it. Denver didn't do this over night. Neither did Atlanta. Gibbs was there a couple of years before they led the league in rushing.

I think we were on course to be successfuly but Jags leaving hurt us a bit. I've never seen anyone "master' something in 2 years, which was all the time Jags had to learn. He probably wasn't an "expert" and Philbin could hardly be considered one.

We need, in my opinion, a consultant such as Gibbs (who is still under contract with Atl) I believe, to get this thing going. They just don't seem to be executing the run blocking very well. That has to factor back to coaching at some point, unless the quality of the lineman is questionable. Some don't like Colledge, I think he's a better tackle than guard, but overall like him, and I really disliked Spitz. I haven't been able to watch Coston yet, but haven't heard anyone bitching about him, so he must be OK.

Blaming Jackson might be a bit premature too. He is a rookie after all. This may be just the way it is. Harv could be right, as the DL's we face get less good, our running might improve just based on the lower quality defenses we'll be facing.

We'll see I guess. So far, so good.

[3irty1]

If we're committed to the run game, and the ZBS, it is going to take a couple of years to properly implement it. Denver didn't do this over night. Neither did Atlanta. Gibbs was there a couple of years before they led the league in rushing.

I think we were on course to be successfuly but Jags leaving hurt us a bit. I've never seen anyone "master' something in 2 years, which was all the time Jags had to learn. He probably wasn't an "expert" and Philbin could hardly be considered one.

We need, in my opinion, a consultant such as Gibbs (who is still under contract with Atl) I believe, to get this thing going. They just don't seem to be executing the run blocking very well. That has to factor back to coaching at some point, unless the quality of the lineman is questionable. Some don't like Colledge, I think he's a better tackle than guard, but overall like him, and I really disliked Spitz. I haven't been able to watch Coston yet, but haven't heard anyone bitching about him, so he must be OK.

Blaming Jackson might be a bit premature too. He is a rookie after all. This may be just the way it is. Harv could be right, as the DL's we face get less good, our running might improve just based on the lower quality defenses we'll be facing.

We'll see I guess. So far, so good.

Haha, In my mind Denver is the only team to successfully implement the ZBS. Atlanta led the league in rushing because of Vick. I don't like the ZBS. It works for Denver and it seems like they can turn anyone into a star but our power game turned Gado into a star...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Right now, I'm not a big fan either. It's either too complicated or too hard to practice. We struggled for a good 4 or 5 games early last year, and it's happening again this year (if not worse).

[Freak Out]

The Packers have a run game?

[retailguy]

The Packers have a run game?

Yes. It is called the "short pass".

[Zool]

The Packers have a run game?

Yes. It is called the "short pass".

I call it 1.5 yards and a could of dust.

[retailguy]

The Packers have a run game?

Yes. It is called the "short pass".

I call it 1.5 yards and a could of dust.

Well, the cloud of dust might be stretching it it bit, but can't argue with 1.5 yards.

I still say it's the "short pass".

[Freak Out]

This kind of success cannot continue with numbers like that. Can it? At some point something has to done whether it be a trade for a RB or going back to basics and run a draw/screen type compliment to the passing game. Not having seen all the games so far I'm curious how many screens have we run? 1.5 per carry! Air M3 here we come!

[retailguy]

This kind of success cannot continue with numbers like that. Can it? At some point something has to done whether it be a trade for a RB or going back to basics and run a draw/screen type compliment to the passing game. Not having seen all the games so far I'm curious how many screens have we run? 1.5 per carry! Air M3 here we come!

some think so, I don't.

If I were chicago, I'd focus on stopping the short pass entirely. Tough? yes, possible? maybe.

if they don't figure it out, someone will.

[RashanGary]

I too am VERY disappointed in this run game. They should have picked up where they left off last year. Instead they started over.

The pass pro is 100X better. I was expecting a similar leap with the run game. It's definitly the biggest disappointment of the year. I'm leaning toward blaming McCarthy and his coaches for not committing to something, anything!

[Zool]

Ok "cloud" of dust might be exaggerating.

1.5 yards and a puff of dust?