Favre flip flops more than John Kerry

[mngolf19]

Re: Favre flip flops more than John Kerry

Umm, no.

At least, that's what they'd like you to believe. I guess I'd be worried for them if that's how they truly felt. Let's see 36-year-old Brett Favre or 37-year-old Brad Johnson.

I have a hard time believing Brad Childress wouldn't be absolutely giddy if the Packers called him up and offered a swap of starting QBs.

All things considered -age, mobility, discipline, familiarity with system and org, contracts(Favre 10M Johnson 1M) and desire to play beyond this season, I don't think they would want to switch. That being said, Madtown was commenting from the point of fans, and my being one of them, I wouldn't want that switch either. Both teams are better off as is.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You may not, but I bet most would, deep down. Would you rather have a guy that you know wouldn't be able to lead an average team (like the Vikes) to the title, or take the chance that Favre just had a down year (maybe it was injuries and the fact that the team was eliminated early since he actually had a good first 6-7 games when they still had a chance)? Vikes fans have publicly mocked Favre for years, but I'm sure most of them would have loved to have #4 the last 15 years (including this year over what they have).

[mngolf19]

You may not, but I bet most would, deep down. Would you rather have a guy that you know wouldn't be able to lead an average team (like the Vikes) to the title, or take the chance that Favre just had a down year (maybe it was injuries and the fact that the team was eliminated early since he actually had a good first 6-7 games when they still had a chance)? Vikes fans have publicly mocked Favre for years, but I'm sure most of them would have loved to have #4 the last 15 years (including this year over what they have).

In his prime, absolutely. But now, where is there QB that can lead an avg team to the title? I don't know of any. Make the team better, possibly. But I don't know that Johnson couldn't do what needs to be done with a good team. He doesn't make many mistakes, and nowadays that can be good enough. And Vikes fans mock Favre because he is a Packer, they would probably have all the same feelings you guys have about him if he were on this side, so I agree with you there. Favre may be more popular to those fans than Johnson if you switched this year, but that is because their styles are so different. Johnson plays safe, mistake free for the most part i.e boring. Favre can be exciting and create on his own. Both styles can be good, both can be bad.

[GoPackGo]

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I'll bet right about now they'd love to have Aaron Rodgers over what they have

[mngolf19]

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I'll bet right about now they'd love to have Aaron Rodgers over what they have

I try to stay away from those people.

[GoPackGo]

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I'll bet right about now they'd love to have Aaron Rodgers over what they have

I try to stay away from those people.

closet viking fan?

[Rastak]

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I'll bet right about now they'd love to have Aaron Rodgers over what they have

I can honestly say that is NOT the case. You definately have work to do if you ever want to think like the enemy.

[mngolf19]

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I'll bet right about now they'd love to have Aaron Rodgers over what they have

I try to stay away from those people.

closet viking fan?

Not closet, but objective and intelligent.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brett Favre is to John Kennedy what Brad Johnson is to Dan Quayle.

[HarveyWallbangers]

At various points in his career, some Viking fans thought more highly of Warren Moon, Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper, and Brad Johnson again than Favre. Or, at least, that's what they will tell you.

[GoPackGo]

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I'll bet right about now they'd love to have Aaron Rodgers over what they have

I can honestly say that is NOT the case. You definately have work to do if you ever want to think like the enemy.

Heres some work:


Brad Johnson
Minnesota Vikings
14, Brad Johnson, QB, Minnesota Vikings
Height: 6-5 Weight: 225 Experience: 14 years
Born: 9/13/1968 Birthplace: Marietta, GA College: Florida State


Career Passing Stats
Year Team G Att Cmp Cmp% Yds Yd/A TD Int Sacked Yds Rating
1994 Min 4 37 22 59.5 150 4.1 0 0 1 5 68.5
1995 Min 5 36 25 69.4 272 7.6 0 2 2 18 68.3
1996 Min 12 311 195 62.7 2258 7.3 17 10 15 119 89.4
1997 Min 13 452 275 60.8 3036 6.7 20 12 26 164 84.5
1998 Min 4 101 65 64.4 747 7.4 7 5 4 30 89.0
1999 Was 16 519 316 60.9 4005 7.7 24 13 29 177 90.0
2000 Was 12 365 228 62.5 2505 6.9 11 15 20 150 75.7
2001 TB 16 559 340 60.8 3406 6.1 13 11 44 269 77.7
2002 TB 13 451 281 62.3 3049 6.8 22 6 21 121 92.9
2003 TB 16 570 354 62.1 3811 6.7 26 21 20 111 81.5
2004 TB 4 103 65 63.1 674 6.5 3 3 8 55 79.5
2005 Min 15 294 184 62.6 1885 6.4 12 4 23 134 88.9
Totals 130 3798 2350 61.9 25798 6.8 155 102 213 1353 84.4


Career Rushing/Receiving Stats
Year Team G Rush Yds Yd/Rush TD Rec Yds Yd/Rec TD
1994 Min 4 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0
1995 Min 5 9 -9 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0
1996 Min 12 34 90 2.6 1 0 0 - 0
1997 Min 13 35 139 4.0 0 1 3 3.0 1
1998 Min 4 12 15 1.3 0 0 0 - 0
1999 Was 16 26 31 1.2 2 0 0 - 0
2000 Was 12 22 58 2.6 1 0 0 - 0
2001 TB 16 39 120 3.1 3 0 0 - 0
2002 TB 13 13 30 2.3 0 0 0 - 0
2003 TB 16 25 33 1.3 0 0 -2 - 0
2004 TB 4 5 23 4.6 0 0 0 - 0
2005 Min 15 18 53 2.9 0 0 0 - 0
Totals 130 240 581 2.4 7 1 1 1.0 1

Offensive Splits

2005 Total
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
TOTAL 184 294 1885 62.6 12 18 53 2.9 0 0 0 - 0


General
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
HOME 93 145 879 64.1 7 6 2 0.3 0 0 0 - 0
AWAY 91 149 1006 61.1 5 12 51 4.3 0 0 0 - 0
ON GRASS 31 59 358 52.5 1 8 43 5.4 0 0 0 - 0
ON TURF 153 235 1527 65.1 11 10 10 1.0 0 0 0 - 0
OUTDOORS 74 126 750 58.7 3 8 43 5.4 0 0 0 - 0
INDOORS 110 168 1135 65.5 9 10 10 1.0 0 0 0 - 0
vs. AFC 60 94 598 63.8 5 4 4 1.0 0 0 0 - 0
vs. NFC 124 200 1287 62.0 7 14 49 3.5 0 0 0 - 0
vs. Own Division 77 116 835 66.4 6 9 20 2.2 0 0 0 - 0
IN WINS/TIES 130 199 1332 65.3 9 13 17 1.3 0 0 0 - 0
AS STARTER 171 265 1723 64.5 11 14 23 1.6 0 0 0 - 0
AS SUB 13 29 162 44.8 1 4 30 7.5 0 0 0 - 0
1ST HALF 106 167 1074 63.5 7 2 16 8.0 0 0 0 - 0
2ND HALF 78 127 811 61.4 5 16 37 2.3 0 0 0 - 0


Months
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
OCTOBER 13 29 162 44.8 1 4 30 7.5 0 0 0 - 0
NOVEMBER 70 111 683 63.1 5 8 10 1.3 0 0 0 - 0
DECEMBER 74 114 793 64.9 4 6 13 2.2 0 0 0 - 0
Outdoor Temp <40 F 18 30 196 60.0 0 4 13 3.3 0 0 0 - 0


Direction
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
LEFT SIDE 34 47 466 72.3 1 1 7 7.0 0 0 0 - 0
MIDDLE 18 32 135 56.3 2 14 14 1.0 0 0 0 - 0
RIGHT SIDE 43 61 306 70.5 2 1 2 2.0 0 0 0 - 0


Vs. Team
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
VS. BAL 25 36 248 69.4 2 0 0 - 0 0 0 - 0
VS. CAR 13 28 162 46.4 1 4 30 7.5 0 0 0 - 0
VS. CHI 27 41 247 65.9 2 0 0 - 0 0 0 - 0
VS. CLE 19 28 207 67.9 3 3 -2 -0.7 0 0 0 - 0
VS. DET 32 45 392 71.1 4 5 7 1.4 0 0 0 - 0
VS. GB 18 30 196 60.0 0 4 13 3.3 0 0 0 - 0
VS. NYG 18 31 144 58.1 0 0 0 - 0 0 0 - 0
VS. PIT 16 30 143 53.3 0 1 6 6.0 0 0 0 - 0
VS. STL 16 25 146 64.0 0 1 -1 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0


Game Logs
Passing Rushing Receiving
Date OPP CM AT Yds Pct TD IN LG AT Yds Avg TD LG RC Yds Avg TD LG
10/16/2005 @Chi 0 1 0 0.0 0 0 - 0 0 - 0 - 0 0 - 0 -
10/30/2005 @Car 13 28 162 46.4 1 0 45 4 30 7.5 0 14 0 0 - 0 -
11/6/2005 Det 15 22 136 68.2 2 0 26 1 -1 -1.0 0 -1 0 0 - 0 -
11/13/2005 @NYG 18 31 144 58.1 0 0 - 0 0 - 0 - 0 0 - 0 -
11/21/2005 @GB 18 30 196 60.0 0 1 35 4 13 3.3 0 16 0 0 - 0 -
11/27/2005 Cle 19 28 207 67.9 3 1 24 3 -2 -0.7 0 0 0 0 - 0 -
12/4/2005 @Det 17 23 256 73.9 2 0 80 4 8 2.0 0 7 0 0 - 0 -
12/11/2005 StL 16 25 146 64.0 0 0 49 1 -1 -1.0 0 -1 0 0 - 0 -
12/18/2005 Pit 16 30 143 53.3 0 2 21 1 6 6.0 0 6 0 0 - 0 -
12/25/2005 @Bal 25 36 248 69.4 2 0 - 0 0 - 0 - 0 0 - 0 -
1/1/2006 Chi 27 40 247 67.5 2 0 - 0 0 - 0 - 0 0 - 0 -




Mike McMahon
Minnesota Vikings
4, Mike McMahon, QB, Minnesota Vikings
Height: 6-2 Weight: 215 Experience: 5 years
Born: 2/8/1979 Birthplace: Pittsburgh, PA College: Rutgers


Career Passing Stats
Year Team G Att Cmp Cmp% Yds Yd/A TD Int Sacked Yds Rating
2001 Det 8 115 53 46.1 671 5.8 3 1 21 122 69.9
2002 Det 8 147 62 42.2 874 5.9 7 9 12 99 52.4
2003 Det 3 31 9 29.0 87 2.8 0 2 2 9 12.7
2004 Det 1 15 11 73.3 77 5.1 0 1 1 12 56.8
2005 Phi 9 207 94 45.4 1158 5.6 5 8 19 96 55.2
Totals 29 515 229 44.5 2867 5.6 15 21 55 338 55.1


Career Rushing/Receiving Stats
Year Team G Rush Yds Yd/Rush TD Rec Yds Yd/Rec TD
2001 Det 8 27 145 5.4 1 0 0 - 0
2002 Det 8 14 96 6.9 3 1 7 7.0 0
2003 Det 3 5 32 6.4 0 0 0 - 0
2004 Det 1 2 18 9.0 0 0 0 - 0
2005 Phi 9 34 118 3.5 3 0 0 - 0
Totals 29 82 409 5.0 7 1 7 7.0 0

Offensive Splits

2005 Total
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
TOTAL 94 207 1158 45.4 5 34 118 3.5 3 0 0 - 0


General
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
HOME 49 107 612 45.8 2 15 49 3.3 0 0 0 - 0
AWAY 45 100 546 45.0 3 19 69 3.6 3 0 0 - 0
ON GRASS 61 140 763 43.6 3 18 70 3.9 2 0 0 - 0
ON TURF 33 67 395 49.3 2 16 48 3.0 1 0 0 - 0
OUTDOORS 79 179 1061 44.1 4 27 101 3.7 3 0 0 - 0
INDOORS 15 28 97 53.6 1 7 17 2.4 0 0 0 - 0
vs. NFC 94 207 1158 45.4 5 34 118 3.5 3 0 0 - 0
vs. Own Division 50 107 736 46.7 3 14 45 3.2 1 0 0 - 0
IN WINS/TIES 28 57 210 49.1 1 14 38 2.7 0 0 0 - 0
AS STARTER 91 201 1122 45.3 5 32 110 3.4 3 0 0 - 0
AS SUB 3 6 36 50.0 0 2 8 4.0 0 0 0 - 0
1ST HALF 38 95 525 40.0 2 14 74 5.3 1 0 0 - 0
2ND HALF 56 112 633 50.0 3 20 44 2.2 2 0 0 - 0


Months
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
SEPTEMBER 1 1 22 100.0 0 1 -1 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0
NOVEMBER 32 72 403 44.4 1 16 62 3.9 1 0 0 - 0
DECEMBER 45 103 499 43.7 2 14 54 3.9 2 0 0 - 0
Outdoor Temp <40 F 18 42 251 42.9 0 4 16 4.0 0 0 0 - 0


Direction
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
LEFT SIDE 11 29 148 37.9 0 0 0 - 0 0 0 - 0
MIDDLE 10 25 179 40.0 2 24 68 2.8 3 0 0 - 0
RIGHT SIDE 29 52 265 55.8 2 4 28 7.0 0 0 0 - 0


Vs. Team
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
VS. ARI 12 33 151 36.4 1 3 21 7.0 2 0 0 - 0
VS. DAL 2 5 14 40.0 0 1 9 9.0 0 0 0 - 0
VS. GB 12 28 91 42.9 0 6 22 3.7 0 0 0 - 0
VS. NYG 32 71 488 45.1 1 10 33 3.3 1 0 0 - 0
VS. SF 1 1 22 100.0 0 1 -1 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0
VS. SEA 4 10 61 40.0 0 3 14 4.7 0 0 0 - 0
VS. STL 15 28 97 53.6 1 7 17 2.4 0 0 0 - 0
VS. WAS 16 31 234 51.6 2 3 3 1.0 0 0 0 - 0


Game Logs
Passing Rushing Receiving
Date OPP CM AT Yds Pct TD IN LG AT Yds Avg TD LG RC Yds Avg TD LG
9/18/2005 SF 1 1 22 100.0 0 0 22 1 -1 -1.0 0 -1 0 0 - 0 -
11/14/2005 Dal 2 5 14 40.0 0 0 9 1 9 9.0 0 9 0 0 - 0 -
11/20/2005 @NYG 18 39 298 46.2 1 1 44 9 31 3.4 1 12 0 0 - 0 -
11/27/2005 GB 12 28 91 42.9 0 0 17 6 22 3.7 0 15 0 0 - 0 -
12/5/2005 Sea 4 10 61 40.0 0 2 27 3 14 4.7 0 7 0 0 - 0 -
12/11/2005 NYG 14 32 190 43.8 0 0 35 1 2 2.0 0 2 0 0 - 0 -
12/18/2005 @StL 15 28 97 53.6 1 3 17 7 17 2.4 0 15 0 0 - 0 -
12/24/2005 @Ari 12 33 151 36.4 1 1 26 3 21 7.0 2 19 0 0 - 0 -
1/1/2006 Was 16 31 234 51.6 2 1 48 3 3 1.0 0 4 0 0 - 0 -



J.T. O'Sullivan
Minnesota Vikings
7, J.T. O'Sullivan, QB, Minnesota Vikings
Height: 6-2 Weight: 227 Experience: 4 years
Born: 8/25/1979 Birthplace: Burbank, CA College: California-Davis


Career Passing Stats
Year Team G Att Cmp Cmp% Yds Yd/A TD Int Sacked Yds Rating
2004 GB 1 0 0 - 0 - 0 0 0 0 -
Totals 1 0 0 - 0 - 0 0 0 0 -


Career Rushing/Receiving Stats
Year Team G Rush Yds Yd/Rush TD Rec Yds Yd/Rec TD
2004 GB 1 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0
Totals 1 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0

Offensive Splits

2004 Total
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
TOTAL 0 0 0 - 0 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0


General
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
AWAY 0 0 0 - 0 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0
ON GRASS 0 0 0 - 0 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0
OUTDOORS 0 0 0 - 0 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0
vs. NFC 0 0 0 - 0 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0
vs. Own Division 0 0 0 - 0 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0
IN WINS/TIES 0 0 0 - 0 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0
AS SUB 0 0 0 - 0 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0
2ND HALF 0 0 0 - 0 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0


Months
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD


Direction
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
MIDDLE 0 0 0 - 0 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0


Vs. Team
Split COMP ATT YDS PCT TD RUSH YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
VS. CHI 0 0 - 0 0 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 0 - 0


Game Logs
Passing Rushing Receiving
Date OPP CM AT Yds Pct TD IN LG AT Yds Avg TD LG RC Yds Avg TD LG
1/2/2005 @Chi 0 0 0 - 0 0 2 -2 -1.0 0 -1 0 0 - 0 -



and last but not least....Tarvaris Jackson


lets review...
B. Johnson-38 years old and not gifted with a great arm
Mike McMahon-no talent assclown
J.T. o'Sullivan-Packer reject and no talent assclown #2
Tarvaris Jackson-who?

I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers if I were you.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers if I were you.

You make a very compelling point.


As much as they want to believe in Tarvaris Jackson, Aaron Rodgers was much more highly rated coming out of college. They'd be idiots not to want him on the team over what they have.

[mngolf19]

No one cares how strong Johnson's arm is. Only that he win. He's one of the few SB winners. Makes him qualified in my book, no matter how little I think of guys like Dilfer. Also shows that different styles can win too. McMahon, who cares. O'Sullivan, who cares. Your boy Rodgers, who cares. Oh wait, you will if he has to play.

[mngolf19]

I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers if I were you.

You make a very compelling point.


As much as they want to believe in Tarvaris Jackson, Aaron Rodgers was much more highly rated coming out of college. They'd be idiots not to want him on the team over what they have.

Harv, don't be dumping more crap on the Vikes. We just wiped one of those off last week.(Foley)

[HarveyWallbangers]

So, you'd rather have Brad Johnson than Brett Favre and Tarvaris Jackson than Aaron Rodgers?

You defeated your own argument with the Dilfer comment. Johnson won on a team that had one of the best defenses in history--like Dilfer. He has about as much chance as Mark Brunell at leading a team like the Vikings to the Super Bowl.