Mark Roman is butt-hurt because we signed Marquand Manual

[theeaterofshades]

I don't like what Roman said, but I do believe he played better overall last year than 2004. I believe our whole group of DBs (and the LBs for that matter) will look a whole lot better, have fewer penalties, and gather in more picks when we somehow have a pass rush. Without pressure, most starting QBs in the league will pick apart any DB squad (especially with the new rules which favor the receivers over the DBs). The key to our D will be pressure at minimum, sacks as the optimum!

[Tarlam!]

Stas aside, Collins is a hitter and Roman is not. I only get to listen to the games via the net, so, I only know what the commentators say. They quite often say Collins hit someone hard. They never say anything more than, "Tackled by Roman".

[HarveyWallbangers]

As you hinted, I am sure the statisticians were much more severe on Collins than on Roman, what they considered to be a missed tackle for Collins would have been ignored for Roman, because that is the way statisticians are.

I didn't say they DID judge Collins harder, but they could have. It could be that Collins had the bad luck of being in the position of making difficult tackles more often. I trust stats, but they aren't the only way to judge. If I were a GM, I'd be a cross between an old school scout and a stats guy. I felt Collins was a better tackler after watching him for 16 games.

Let me ask you a question (if you follow baseball): what's your opinion on the defensive prowess of Derek Jeter?

[MadtownPacker]

Stas aside, Collins is a hitter and Roman is not. I only get to listen to the games via the net, so, I only know what the commentators say. They quite often say Collins hit someone hard. They never say anything more than, "Tackled by Roman".

No, Roman laid some hard hits too. Collins was just being reckless with his body, crazy bastard. Still love the hit he put on Chad Johnson. My only regret is that he didnt get a piece of moss.

[KYPack]

KY, I both agree and disagree (how's that for taking a stand!)

I think Roman was better in 2005 than 2004, but improving the safety play (both spots) is certainly a legitimate team goal. Improvement won't come from Roman, he is what he is. Collins has potential to improve.

Roman missed a few tackles, all DBs do, but actually he had a decent year tackling and missed a lot fewer tackles than Nick Collins did while making more tackles than Collins. For some reason people want to ignore a relatively poor tackling performance by Collins while emphasizing Roman's misses. I think it is probably because we are jaded by Roman's 2004 performance, and Collins did enough to impress that we emphasize the negative of Roman and the positive from Collins.

Collins missed 19 tackles in 2005, second on the club to Barnett who had 20. Sharper never had more than 18 missed tackles. Roman had 12 misses in 2005. Roman had 90 tackles, Collins 84. If you look at the number of missed tackles relative to the number of tackling opportunities, Collins has a long way to go.

Roman had 2 interceptions, Collins 1 with several drops. Passes defensed were Roman 6, Collins 7.

I know everyone is high on Collins and down on Roman. In my opinion, Roman isn't awful, but you would like better, and Collins still has a chance to be a bust or a very good DB. That is the difference between the two. We know what Roman is. We hope Collins fulfills the potential that Roman has not, but Collins could turnout to be no better than Roman. The jury is still out.

Just for the record, so I am not misinterpretted, I like Collins as a player. He showed significant improvement last year during the season. I think he has a good chance to be a very good DB. But he is not there yet. This year will be important for him.

You agree & disagree?

That's ballsy of ya, PatRock!

We will never agree on this one. I'm a Packer fan, but I live in the Cincy area. I know all about Mark Roman. In fact, I even felt sorry for him early in his career. The Bengals tried to make him into a corner, and the guy was just shattered. In fact, it's my theory that his early experiences at corner ruined him for his career. No matter how well he performs, he always has the idea in his head that he can totally collapse.

And collapse he does. This last year was my own last chance for Roman. And he showed me that he will never make it. His blown plays this year were bad for a rookie, but a 5 year vet should never fall apart like that.

When a safety lets his team down, he screws up the whole defense. The D just can't play with any confidence. The new staff had to look at film from this season and reach the conclusion that they need a new safety.

Nick Collins? I'm not undecided about him. I love the kid, he will be a fixture in our defense for years to come. He absolutely blossomed the end of last year and he will be a star in our secondary.

Mark Roman? He'll not be with the Pack by next season. When he gets cut, I dunno, but gone he will be.

[Badgepack]

Every year new players are brought in at almost all positions, they go through training camp and the pre-season, and the best player gets to start.
Either win the job quit bitching.

[Patler]

Let me ask you a question (if you follow baseball): what's your opinion on the defensive prowess of Derek Jeter?

I haven't seen him play enough to have an opinion. Highlights on ESPN certainly don't provide a sufficient basis, and that is all I ever see of Jeter, highlights.

[MadtownPacker]

Every year new players are brought in at almost all positions, they go through training camp and the pre-season, and the best player gets to start.
Either win the job quit bitching.

The straight up truth!!!!

[Bossman641]

McCarthy could have called Roman right after the Manuel signing and he admits as much in this article. Still, IMO, Roman is taking this way too far. It's like he's afraid of a little competiton.

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Roman rants: Mark Roman remains miffed about the signing of fellow safety Marquand Manuel.

“Business is business, and I respect that, but there’s ways to do good business and ways to do bad business,” Roman said. “There was no communication, and that was really the most important thing.”

Roman said he learned of Manuel’s signing “from the media,” and said a week passed before he was contacted by the team.

“I thought I deserved the respect of a phone call,” Roman said. “There was just no communication. At least I would have known about it, and it wouldn’t be a total shock.”

Shortly after Manuel was signed away from the Seattle Seahawks in March, Roman asked to be released. That request was denied.

McCarthy agreed Manuel’s signing wasn’t handled well, and said the team has no plans to release Roman.

“Just the situation, the way the signing of Manuel went down, I could have probably done a better job of communicating (it) sooner to Mark,” McCarthy said. “So we’ve had a conversation. I thought his participation this weekend was excellent. It’s not an issue from my viewpoint.”

Roman lined up at his usual spot with the starting defense during minicamp, but that was with Manuel on the sideline nursing a groin injury sustained in the Super Bowl. Roman said McCarthy has indicated he expects him to battle Manuel for the starting safety job, but Roman presumes the starting job will go to Manuel once he’s healthy.

“I haven’t been told that, but that’s my feeling,” Roman said. “They signed him for a reason.”

Roman said he hasn’t decided whether he will attend Green Bay’s next minicamp (May 19-21).

“We’ll see,“ Roman said. “I’m here now. I’m trying to put my best foot forward. I don’t know where we go from here. This whole thing just has been handled very badly.”

[MadtownPacker]

“We’ll see,“ Roman said. “I’m here now. I’m trying to put my best foot forward. I don’t know where we go from here. This whole thing just has been handled very badly.”

He's only being handling worse. Roman better get his shit in gear or he is gonna get Polarized by TT.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I didn't read the first post in this thread carefully. I see now that Roman was acting more pissy than just making the one comment. I can't excuse his behavior, but still not gonna write him off.

I hope the competition between Roman & Manuel is fair, it is not clear which of the guys is better.

[Little Whiskey]

I didn't read the first post in this thread carefully. I see now that Roman was acting more pissy than just making the one comment. I can't excuse his behavior, but still not gonna write him off.

I hope the competition between Roman & Manuel is fair, it is not clear which of the guys is better.

if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

[Badgepack]

Two more thoughts,

1 - I didn't know management was required to consult players if competion is brought in.

2- Other than elite players(which Roman is not), who would complain about being a back-up in the NFL. The moneys great, he will play some, and may be starting if injuries occur.

[KYPack]

I didn't read the first post in this thread carefully. I see now that Roman was acting more pissy than just making the one comment. I can't excuse his behavior, but still not gonna write him off.

I hope the competition between Roman & Manuel is fair, it is not clear which of the guys is better.

Roman has no room to moan, after his '05 season.

That said, he's pretty much a lock to make the team. The JSO depth chart shows him as Manuel's back-up. He's really the only safety with experience in reserve. I'd like to see Underwood come on. I didn't realize Underwood is only 5'10".

[Harlan Huckleby]

Underwood has shown me nothing, biggest dissappointment of last year's draft. Roman made a lot of fine tackles in 2005.

I'm looking forward to the competition this summer.