Wynn out for year

[Patler]

I beleive that poor conditioning was a contributing cause. Call me crazy. Just because it was not a hot day, cramps occured on first series.

Could be, but

this argument started because you ruled-out poor conditioning as a factor.

What JH said.

Well we can go back and forth forever, but I think it started because you ruled out dehydration, and in a previous thread questioned whether the staff said what they in fact said.

I'm done!

[Bretsky]

Maybe his body can't hold up, but it's way too soon to make those assumptions. He had a couple injuries. If he comes back next year and the same happens, it's time to start writing him off. I see a good runner on a team that doesn't have any good runners. I think it's way early to write him off.

I'm not sure anybody is writing him off, although to me Ryan Grant has shown just as much as Wynn and I like his long term prospects much better.

I think many just feel the guys character, toughness...etc.....mentality..will not allow for consistency one can rely on

[Maxie the Taxi]

Re: DeShawn Wynn

I think we can all agree that Wynn is a bit of a mystery. He has been blessed with obvious talent but he has not been able to be a consistent performer for the Packers -- for one reason or another.

McCarthy said of Wynn: "He can be as good as he wants to be."

I think McCarthy's comment is telling. It's the kind of comment that would never be made in reference to a naturally talented player like, say, Brett Favre or a semi-talented over-achiever like, say, Shaun Bodiford. Talent will get a person only so far, whether the venue is an NFL football field or a Broadway stage or a Wall Street office. Some people who are blessed with natural ability never succeed because they are not blessed with an unquenchable thirst to be all they can be and more.

We all know the type of driven person I'm talking about. He's the guy who practices the hardest, who will never quit fighting no matter the odds, who will sacrifice his relationships, his family and his friends to achieve his goal in life. He's the superstar who even at 38 is driven to win and be the best there is. He's the smallish receiver who will sacrifice his body to break up the wedge on special teams just to earn a spot on the roster.

Does Wynn have the drive that it takes to succeed in the NFL regardless of his talent?

Here's an article I found describing Wynn in college that may shed some light on Wynn the Packers' mystery-man.

Wynn all about silent treatment

By ANDREW ABRAMSON
Alligator Staff Writer
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What's the difference between a Heisman candidate and a third-string running back?

Just ask UF's DeShawn Wynn, one of college football's most mysterious figures.

The problem is, he won't give you an explanation. He won't even try.

The player who led the Gators with seven rushing touchdowns in 2003 hasn't spoken to the media in a year. Now, as the talented-but-troubled Wynn battles for UF's coveted tailback job -- and could possibly drop as low as third-string -- his story grows stranger.

When Wynn compiled gaudy statistics in 2003, he had no problem chatting with reporters. Last year, during his training camp battle with Ciatrick Fason, Wynn still found time to speak with the media.

But ever since Fason became No. 1 last year, Wynn fell silent.

"Since I first got here, I've never seen [Wynn] talk to one media person," said junior tailback Skyler Thornton, also in the mix for the starting job. "I guess it's how he likes to do things. It's his decision, that's DeShawn."

After his breakout debut, Wynn suffered through a miserable sophomore slump. Former coach Ron Zook - who rarely criticized players publicly - accused Wynn of harboring a negative work ethic.

Then Wynn suffered a groin injury, removing him from the picture.

This spring, the work ethic issues resurfaced. While many of Zook's troubled players reformed under Urban Meyer, Wynn was still garnering criticism.

Early in training camp, rumors swirled that Wynn could be suspended for the season opener for violating team policy. Meyer has never addressed the issue.

"I don't know what goes on in DeShawn's mind to make him do what he does, but DeShawn is just going to be DeShawn Wynn," said freshman Markus Manson, the third tailback vying for the starting spot. "Whenever he's around me, he's a cool guy, and he's like a big brother to me. I look up to him in a lot of situations.

"I don't know what triggers DeShawn to do [certain things], but only God knows and DeShawn knows."

Lately, Meyer has praised Wynn but he hasn't gone as far as to appoint him the top guy.

Still, no one denies the talent and potential Wynn brings to the Gators.

That's what makes his case so puzzling.

"DeShawn brings power, speed and anything you ask, DeShawn will bring it," Manson said. "He's just real good. He's the most focused and the most experienced out of all of us, so we expect him to do big things."

While Manson calls Wynn focused, UF running back coach Stan Drayton sees it a different way.

According to Drayton, Wynn is moving in the right direction, but is still searching for the will to become a star player.

"DeShawn has the talent to be one of the best backs in this country, no question," Drayton said. "The thing that DeShawn needs to work on is looking himself in the mirror and saying, 'Hey, I want to be that guy.'

"There's nothing wrong - it's a conditioning of the mindset. I don't know if he has the mindset of a Heisman candidate right now. He definitely has the ability."

[Bretsky]

good find Maxie; exactly how I picture Wynn

[Harlan Huckleby]

Well we can go back and forth forever, but I think it started because you ruled out dehydration

Hardly. How could anybody know such a thing? You incorrectly stated that conditioning could not be a factor, and I called you on it. I am glad that you have now conceded that there is no definitive answer.

Just as I try and stay positive with DeShawn Wynn, I also hope and expect you will emerge from this argument duly chastened, and move to be an even better person.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Didn't this guy play in Florida all last year ? Wait, maybe not as much due to his un wynning issues. But who cares about the past; that's not relevant.

Wynn is a rehabilitation project, for sure. You have chosen to damn him based upon his past. I choose to give the guy a clean slate and just judge him on how he does in the pros.

Neither approach is right or wrong, just a philosophical difference.

[Bretsky]

Didn't this guy play in Florida all last year ? Wait, maybe not as much due to his un wynning issues. But who cares about the past; that's not relevant.

Wynn is a rehabilitation project, for sure. You have chosen to damn him based upon his past. I choose to give the guy a clean slate and just judge him on how he does in the pros.

Neither approach is right or wrong, just a philosophical difference.

I have not damned anybody; I just don't have a lot of faith in consistency from him

I chose to consider his past when evaluating; you chose to ignore it

Like you correctly stated neither is right or wrong

[Tarlam!]

alchohol causes dehydration.

were you dehydrated the first series of the game?

Is that a trick question?

Ziggy and I were dehydrated, so were Mad and Partial sitting two rows behind us...

It was a damned hot day! I had to peel my brand new #4 Away Jersey off, because my sweat hardened like glue after the night air finally cooled off.

[Bretsky]

Another classic thread

In reality when Wynn went down it turned out to be a very good thing; Grant can carry the load