Just for fun

[4and12to12and4]

Why don't we all agree on the fact that the Dolphins made one of the worst picks ever with Ginn when Brady was there, oh, wait, even worse, Adrian Peterson was there. At least we got an above average LB who could still end up being a great LB in time. The Dolphins REALLY fucked up, lets just pick on them for a while and enjoy how good our defense is so far this year.

Where's the love??

[RashanGary]

No, the point is very relevant. Sometimes the greatest players do the most to help their team by being unsung. Hawk is doing a really good job, he brings accountablity and disapline to the whole defense. There is no measure for some things. You don't want to see it, you never did, but Hawk is a damn fine player and I still believe he'll be a probowl linebacker multiple times.

Willis is a beast though. The only beast of the young LB's you listed. I'd take Willis over any of them.

[b bulldog]

Nick your wrong and your totally biased as some could say likewise for me but Hawk is an average player at this time. I'd take Beason, Willis, Rocky, Ryans, Sims and Wembly over Hawk. Hawk can show me on the field, hopefully I won't have to wait to long.

[RashanGary]

Nick your wrong and your totally biased as some could say likewise for me but Hawk is an average player at this time. I'd take Beason, Willis, Rocky, Ryans, Sims and Wembly over Hawk. Hawk can show me on the field, hopefully I won't have to wait to long.

Just like you being wrong on just about everything else you say, you'll be proven wrong on this over time too. Enjoy your moment in the sun though, you don't get many of them.

[retailguy]

Why don't we all agree on the fact that the Dolphins made one of the worst picks ever with Ginn when Brady was there, oh, wait, even worse, Adrian Peterson was there. At least we got an above average LB who could still end up being a great LB in time. The Dolphins REALLY fucked up, lets just pick on them for a while and enjoy how good our defense is so far this year.

Where's the love??

Off the top of my head.... Ginn was the 9th pick and peterson went 7th. I don't think Miami was wrong by passing on Brady Quinn. Ginn has good potential and Beck could also be special... Poor Brady.... Where the hell did Derek Anderson come from? Wow.

[4and12to12and4]

Why don't we all agree on the fact that the Dolphins made one of the worst picks ever with Ginn when Brady was there, oh, wait, even worse, Adrian Peterson was there. At least we got an above average LB who could still end up being a great LB in time. The Dolphins REALLY fucked up, lets just pick on them for a while and enjoy how good our defense is so far this year.

Where's the love??

Did you hear me? Chill out, we're 7-1 and have a very good LB group. Hawk and Poppinga are underrated if you ask me. Reread my earlier post and cheer the fuck up, or go drink some Captain. :P

[esoxx]

Hawk's a decent player but he's woefully miscast in this over scheme. If he were at MLB he would be a much better player, turning loose his nastiness, speed and desire.
My biggest gripe is why the hell would you draft only the 2nd top 5 pick at LB since 1996 to have him be a roleplayer and not the focal point of the D??? That's my beef.
I expect bigger and better things from Hawk going forward. But until Barnett or this over scheme changes (and I see neither happening soon), not much will with his game. And that's a shame and somewhat of a waste.

[b bulldog]

Nick, your better than that

[Freak Out]

Hawk's a decent player but he's woefully miscast in this over scheme. If he were at MLB he would be a much better player, turning loose his nastiness, speed and desire.
My biggest gripe is why the hell would you draft only the 2nd top 5 pick at LB since 1996 to have him be a roleplayer and not the focal point of the D??? That's my beef.
I expect bigger and better things from Hawk going forward. But until Barnett or this over scheme changes (and I see neither happening soon), not much will with his game. And that's a shame and somewhat of a waste.

This is spot on....he is miscast and undoubtedly would show a lot more if he was playing the middle but we may never see that happen. It could be worse though...

[Noodle]

I'm not sure I buy the miscast bit. Hawk was a Will LB at OSU, and he's a Will at GB. Will's get lots of opportunities to make plays, if they can get off blocks, flow to the play, and explode through gaps, especially given all the backside cut running that RBs do.

No doubt the Packer D is designed to have the Mike be the major stat getter, but a strong and talented Will is going to have lots of chances. And the miscast tag doesn't explain why Hawk hasn't been more effective with his blitzing/pass rushing.

In the end, he's a second year player. I think he's doing fine, and I think he's going to play even better with more experience. I say we're lucky to have him and Barnett on the field at the same time. Remember, it's about winning, not about getting Hawk some damn stats.

[b bulldog]

Good post noodle

[Carolina_Packer]

Why don't we all agree on the fact that the Dolphins made one of the worst picks ever with Ginn when Brady was there, oh, wait, even worse, Adrian Peterson was there. At least we got an above average LB who could still end up being a great LB in time. The Dolphins REALLY fucked up, lets just pick on them for a while and enjoy how good our defense is so far this year.

Where's the love??

Off the top of my head.... Ginn was the 9th pick and peterson went 7th. I don't think Miami was wrong by passing on Brady Quinn. Ginn has good potential and Beck could also be special... Poor Brady.... Where the hell did Derek Anderson come from? Wow.

Baltimore Ravens waived him and tried to stash him on their practice squad, and Phil Savage, the GM of the Cleveland Browns, who helped bring Anderson to Baltimore when he was in the front office as an assistant, got him for a $100 waiver fee! Oregon Packer Fan had some good inside info on Anderson since he played college ball there (can't recall the post).

I just happened to meet Phil Savage when he was with Brian Billick and Ozzie Newsome at the Oakland Airport. I was in Phoenix in March 2003 catching some Spring Training baseball and flew from there to Oakland to meet my wife in San Fran for a vacation. I saw Billick and Co. in First Class and recognized him right away, but didn't say anything. I met Savage at the baggage claim (didn't know who he was then), but when I found out he was with the Ravens, I asked him what they were doing in Oakland. He said they were there to scout Kyle Boller. He was a really nice guy, very personable, and was willing to talk football. It was cool. It's kinda fun to see him become an NFL GM. I wish him well in Cleveland. I bet it's a difficult, demanding, fun job.

[Partial]

Phil Savage is the best talent recruiter in the NFL. Has been for years. He was the brains that got Ozzie Newsome a lot of credit.

[b bulldog]

Agree but Savage and management don't see I to I and if the they would have faltered this season, he most likely would have been gone. Scott Pioli in Pat land is very good also.

[cpk1994]

I just wish Hawk was the featured linebacker in this over scheme that the Packers run, then these stats wouldn't even be close. Although I have to agree that Hawk has been a slight underperformer this year, but he isn't attacking the ball like he did so well at Ohio St. Grant it, the NFL isn't Ohio St, but Hawk was a really special player at Ohio St and he has shown that same ability in small stretches.

Considering what Ohio State pays their players, they are more like the NFL than you think.