Odd man out in secondary

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think if somebody asked Nick Collins if he was able to play nickle corner he would sneer and walk away.

[mraynrand]

I think if somebody asked Nick Collins if he was able to play nickle corner he would sneer and walk away.

Or maybe limp away.

[SkinBasket]

I think if somebody asked Nick Collins if he was able to play nickle corner he would sneer and walk away.

Then get on his purple unicorn and fly away to the land of Chocolate and Ice.

[Zool]

Candy mountain Charlie. It's got joy......and joyness.

[Partial]

Candy mountain Charlie. It's got joy......and joyness.

It's a leopluraldon charlie. A magical leopluraldon

[Carolina_Packer]

HH, I'm feelin' ya. You seem to be saying, hypothetically or in a vacuum where you strip away labels like safety and cornerback and just consider athleticism, playmaking, and instincts/smarts, then who would you go with? I would go with Rouse over Bush because I think long-term, he's going to be a better player. I wouldn't choose Rouse over Collins (yet). Not enough information.

What would you think of having Bigby play SS on obvious running situations and Rouse for obvious passing situations? Is Rouse better in coverage? If so, wouldn't he be better to have in there in obvious passing situations vs. Bigby? Plus, it keeps them both engaged and doing what they do best.

[hurleyfan]

Wow,
thought I was back on jsonline for a minute

[mission]

not many former corners here obviously. Collins is a safety for two reasons: stiff hips and poor ball skills. Has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with why he is an underachieving safety

[Harlan Huckleby]

not many former corners here obviously. Collins is a safety for two reasons: stiff hips and poor ball skills. Has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with why he is an underachieving safety

I'm not reading a lot of good words about Jolly Old Saint Nick. (Other than the guy who constructed a statistical proof that Brian Dawkins is not that much better.)

If Rouse performs well, they should just keep him as the starting free safety. I don't trust anyone's judgement here, least of all my own, about whether Bush or Collins can cover better in a nickle role. But if Collins is inferior here too, let him be the super backup at safety.

The reason to stick with Collins is comfort level, he's a known decent player. I simply hope that Rouse plays well enough to justify a risk. I don't understand why people would reject out of hand the possibility of taking such a calculated risk.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm not reading a lot of good words about Jolly Old Saint Nick.

Did you look at the results of your own f'd up poll?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm not reading a lot of good words about Jolly Old Saint Nick.

Did you look at the results of your own f'd up poll?

I don't understand your point.

edit: OK, you think the fact that most people think Rouse and Bush are worse is an endorsement of Nick Collins.

Rouse is an untested rookie, of course many people are going to vote him off the Island. And Bush is a nickle back, a late round pick.

[Harlan Huckleby]

What would you think of having Bigby play SS on obvious running situations and Rouse for obvious passing situations?

I would think of doing it, but that doesn't make it a good idea. I haven't heard of any NFL team doing this, probably because they try and build chemistry in the starting secondary.

[4and12to12and4]

Bush played Probowl type football in the preseason which got him where he is, but all I know is that I'm sick of watching him one or two steps behind his guy five times a game, he is the weak link on this team that a "Dallas" team in the playoffs can exploit against TO and co. I don't like him, I hope Rouse continues his outstanding play and I want him out there, I don't care that he's a rookie, he has better instincts than Bush, and Bush gives up too many third down plays. He will not make the team next year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bush has been pretty darn solid for a nickel corner. He had a couple of bad games, but most teams struggle at that spot. It's hard to find two good corners--not to mention three. I think he has intriguing potential, and I'd be surprised if he weren't on the team next year--although it would be a good battle between him, Blackmon, and Williams if GB drafted a corner high. If you have good corners though, you keep them--just ike the DL. So, keeping 6 corners wouldn't be out of the question--like us keeping 6 WRs and 11 DL.

[4and12to12and4]

Bush has been pretty darn solid for a nickel corner. He had a couple of bad games, but most teams struggle at that spot. It's hard to find two good corners--not to mention three. I think he has intriguing potential, and I'd be surprised if he weren't on the team next year--although it would be a good battle between him, Blackmon, and Williams if GB drafted a corner high. If you have good corners though, you keep them--just ike the DL. So, keeping 6 corners wouldn't be out of the question--like us keeping 6 WRs and 11 DL.

I don't understand your love for this guy and Ryan Grant. They are not very good players. Any one could run for 100 yards against that Denver defense, and I watched that game 3 times, and he should've had 200 yards with the holes he had to work with, and MM had a GREAT running scheme set up against the Vikings and he did OK with it, but wasn't that impressive, he did break a nice tackle at the end of that 30 yard gallop for a score, but other than that, the scheme and line were the reason for his success. As far as Bush goes, what is so good about him, he gets beat constantly, not badly, he's usually right there to make the tackle, but his coverage skills are worse than Manuels. I hope he just needs to learn our system to be in better places, but so far he doesn't seem to be very instinctive, because for his speed and quickness, he should have more passes defended and less tackles. Maybe I'm being too hard on him. I just haven't seen much positive from him. I'd rather see Walker out there.