Roster rehab, creative coaching lead to Packers' turnaround

[Freak Out]

or watch another milk a cow.

I'm getting turned on just thinking about watching one of his wives milk a cow. What does the modern sister wife wear while milking a cow? It's gotta be nasty.

[cheesner]

TT did little to help us in the off season and this time next week we very well may be here realizing just how accurate that stance is. That's my position as I've seen it transpire Nutz. I'm entitled to it as I certainly put my time in here at Packerrats watching TT's thin paint dry.

He had a sleepy off season and did little to support 13-3. The entire NFL community would more than less agree with that statement but not YOU Nutz.

The problem is that this is a very superficial view. Did TT do much in the off-season? The fact is, he did what he needed to do. TT's objective is to have the Packers win games. I don't think you understand that. That has been accomplished. TT does not owe us fans 'excitement' in the off-season. He needs to make the Packers a better team. Period. The act of signing FAs does not make your team better.

I believe that most in the NFL community feel that TT had a very successful off-season.

[Joemailman]

TT did little to help us in the off season and this time next week we very well may be here realizing just how accurate that stance is. That's my position as I've seen it transpire Nutz. I'm entitled to it as I certainly put my time in here at Packerrats watching TT's thin paint dry.

He had a sleepy off season and did little to support 13-3. The entire NFL community would more than less agree with that statement but not YOU Nutz.

The problem is that this is a very superficial view. Did TT do much in the off-season? The fact is, he did what he needed to do. TT's objective is to have the Packers win games. I don't think you understand that. That has been accomplished. TT does not owe us fans 'excitement' in the off-season. He needs to make the Packers a better team. Period. The act of signing FAs does not make your team better.

I believe that most in the NFL community feel that TT had a very successful off-season.

The problem with Woody's argument is that the entire NFL community was dead wrong about how the Packers would do this year, unless I missed all those people who were picking the Packers to go 13-3. Therefore, by extension, they were dead wrong about what needed to be done to improve the team. TT knew how good his team was, even if almost no one else did.

[cheesner]

TT did little to help us in the off season and this time next week we very well may be here realizing just how accurate that stance is. That's my position as I've seen it transpire Nutz. I'm entitled to it as I certainly put my time in here at Packerrats watching TT's thin paint dry.

He had a sleepy off season and did little to support 13-3. The entire NFL community would more than less agree with that statement but not YOU Nutz.

The problem is that this is a very superficial view. Did TT do much in the off-season? The fact is, he did what he needed to do. TT's objective is to have the Packers win games. I don't think you understand that. That has been accomplished. TT does not owe us fans 'excitement' in the off-season. He needs to make the Packers a better team. Period. The act of signing FAs does not make your team better.

I believe that most in the NFL community feel that TT had a very successful off-season.

The problem with Woody's argument is that the entire NFL community was dead wrong about how the Packers would do this year, unless I missed all those people who were picking the Packers to go 13-3. Therefore, by extension, they were dead wrong about what needed to be done to improve the team. TT knew how good his team was, even if almost no one else did.

Well put.

[Bossman641]

"Experts" (I use that term loosely) thought we would suck this year. A

Woody thought we would suck this year. B

We suck. C

A = B
A doesn't equal C
Therefore B doesn't equal C

Woody, just because you agreed with everyone who thought we would suck doesn't make you right. In fact, it makes you even more wrong. They were wrong, you were wrong.

You don't win 13 games by luck, 1 or 2 maybe, but not 13. TT saw the young talent on this team. He had faith they would improve and stuck by his guns and they are proving him right.

[MJZiggy]

The difference there is that all of the so-called experts have either admitted they were wrong, or started pretending they never said we suck in the first place...

[PackerTimer]

TT did little to help us in the off season and this time next week we very well may be here realizing just how accurate that stance is. That's my position as I've seen it transpire Nutz. I'm entitled to it as I certainly put my time in here at Packerrats watching TT's thin paint dry.

He had a sleepy off season and did little to support 13-3. The entire NFL community would more than less agree with that statement but not YOU Nutz.

The problem is that this is a very superficial view. Did TT do much in the off-season? The fact is, he did what he needed to do. TT's objective is to have the Packers win games. I don't think you understand that. That has been accomplished. TT does not owe us fans 'excitement' in the off-season. He needs to make the Packers a better team. Period. The act of signing FAs does not make your team better.

I believe that most in the NFL community feel that TT had a very successful off-season.

The problem with Woody's argument is that the entire NFL community was dead wrong about how the Packers would do this year, unless I missed all those people who were picking the Packers to go 13-3. Therefore, by extension, they were dead wrong about what needed to be done to improve the team. TT knew how good his team was, even if almost no one else did.

There is no way this point can be overstated. I don't see "TT didn't do enough during the offseason" as a logical argument, especially when coupling that argument with "we are 13-3 in spite of TT's inaction." What is so hard for people to understand that he was confident with the guys he had. There were alot of people who undervalued what the Packers had. Thankfully, our general manager was not one of those people.

Yeah, maybe some of that confidence was a mistake. For example, not bringing in a running back because guys like Wynn, Morency, and Jackson didn't really pan out. But, he compensated by finding Ryan Grant. He has done what a good GM does. Evaluates his talent and picks up guys accordingly. When you take a good look at this team there are very little holes to it. Job well done.

[Carolina_Packer]

TT did little to help us in the off season and this time next week we very well may be here realizing just how accurate that stance is. That's my position as I've seen it transpire Nutz. I'm entitled to it as I certainly put my time in here at Packerrats watching TT's thin paint dry.

He had a sleepy off season and did little to support 13-3. The entire NFL community would more than less agree with that statement but not YOU Nutz.

The problem is that this is a very superficial view. Did TT do much in the off-season? The fact is, he did what he needed to do. TT's objective is to have the Packers win games. I don't think you understand that. That has been accomplished. TT does not owe us fans 'excitement' in the off-season. He needs to make the Packers a better team. Period. The act of signing FAs does not make your team better.

I believe that most in the NFL community feel that TT had a very successful off-season.

The problem with Woody's argument is that the entire NFL community was dead wrong about how the Packers would do this year, unless I missed all those people who were picking the Packers to go 13-3. Therefore, by extension, they were dead wrong about what needed to be done to improve the team. TT knew how good his team was, even if almost no one else did.

Succinct and well put, Joe.

I firmly believe there are degrees to which everyone here supports or doesn't support TT. There's likely nobody on the extremes of completely supporting or completely not supporting TT, and there are probably people who enjoy the Packers without thinking much about what TT or his staff do for the team. Those TT neutral folks know they can't control what he and his staff do, so they don't invest emotional energy on it.

So, if TT support, neutrality or non-support is a gradient scale, with 0 being comlete non-support (dislike) and 5 is neutrality and 10 is complete support (like), I'd say I'm about an 8, meaning I like what he's done, but I don't support every decision. I'm also not going to beat him up for one or two personnel moves. I'm a Packer fan, he's our GM, I need to support him. Doesn't mean I always agree with or understand what he does. I sure appreciate the team being 13-3 and looking to be in good shape. If he was any part of that, thanks TT. If not, I guess we won in spite of you. Chances are, TT helped do his part, and most know and acknowledge it. BUT, many fans know it's not just TT; it's the staff, coaches, scouts, players buying into the system, the whole nine yards.

Woody, I hope you are happy with 13-3, and a first round bye. That was brought about by many people's efforts, and I think we'd all agree with that, and since we are all Pack fans we can be excited about it, regardless of what we think of one person. That's my hope anyway.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Sometimes the best moves are not making them.

The chemistry on the team is as fantastic as the players are. TT made this ensamble of both players and coaches. I really don't see how there can be any logical or rational argument against him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

There's likely nobody on the extremes of completely supporting or completely not supporting TT

Have you heard of woodbuck? RG has tempered his disdain. We haven't heard from packnut in a long time.

[MJZiggy]

You forgot about Merlin.

[Carolina_Packer]

You forgot about Merlin.

I think Merlin gives him some credit, and perhaps even Woody. Liking someone should never be a pre-requisite to acknowledging positive developments or progress. To explain away everything a person has tried to do in order to make a positive contribution to the success of a team means that no matter what they do, you are not going to like them or acknowledge contribution to said success.

I'll tell you this, if you have to like everything you support, or support everything you like, I hope you never need a good lawyer, or doctor! Some of them can be strong, not so likeable persons, but you'd want them in your corner.

[Deputy Nutz]

I made my points to you Woody, and I told you and everyone else that I was finished discussing this issue with you because frankly, I can't beat stupid, now discuss whatever else you would like with me and I will be more than pleasant, but I am done discussing this issue with you because the only other way of dealing with the blind is to make fun of them and ridicule them. Now leave it alone before you alienate yourself anymore.

What are you Nutz the leader of some pseudo-fashist movement at Packer Rats? You may order your wife and kids around but not me junior. Get a grip Nutz. . sil vour plait.

Let's just go here. We don't like one another never have and never will. That may or may not play a part in the extremes differences in our view of TT. You fancy yourself as some heavy here at packerrats and i see you as just a guy.

I'll enlighten you Nutz.Your no better man than I am. I hope your near as good.

To review my position and it's just that Nutz:

For anyone to laud TT with heaps of praise based on our record (13-3) after the off season he had simply baffels me. That's what makes the world spin.The differences in peoples views and it's all just there Nutz. Why take it to such extremes of hatred and piss all over yourself with pettiness? Have you no pride in a healthy sense Nutz?

You don't have to mimmic Scott Campbell. That poor fella is severely challenged.

Nutz:

TT did little to help us in the off season and this time next week we very well may be here realizing just how accurate that stance is. That's my position as I've seen it transpire Nutz. I'm entitled to it as I certainly put my time in here at Packerrats watching TT's thin paint dry.

He had a sleepy off season and did little to support 13-3. The entire NFL community would more than less agree with that statement but not YOU Nutz.

Some other's here are all over TT as GOLDEN as well. OK!

I choose to see it differently. Woe is me? The black sheep - that dasterdly Canadian? NO!! Hardly. I'm just a Packer fan and have been dedicated to that for well 50 years next season. I'm also a man trhat loves to observe or study the NFL. The proof of that is my performance the past twio season,s in the Pro Pickem and how that compares to all NFL experts.

I'm not aware of any NFL expert that has picked more winners in those two seasons as I have. I put my money where my mouth is or I always back myself up.

NO regarding Ted Thompson. I know what I've seen. Are you wrong Nutz? No!

Am I wrong in what I see. Again. NO!! I have my view and I will hold onto it.

That's my right Nutz.

To everyone on this forum that's my Democratic right.

Thanks for proving my point that you can't argue stupid! I guess in Canada you have the right to free health care and stupidity. How do you buy your stupidity Woody? Caseload, or in capsule form?

I love how you try to get aggressive in your posts by calling people that disagree with you "Junior" or "Sonny". Save that shit for the male nurses that vaseline your ass pipe for your old ass case of hemorrhoids,

"Hey Sonny can't you get any deeper than that."

"Hey dere Junior, how about lubing my exit hole for ole' time sakes."

Sad thing is Junior the male nurse at the government funded nursing facility is like everyone else, he doesn't know whether to shove a glob of vaseline in your mouth or up your poop shoot.

[woodbuck27]

Y'all should take a better look inward on yourselves. To disagree is human. To have strong difference of opinion isn't abnormal and hopefully healthy and an assist to grow. TO LEARN MORE WITH AN OPEN MIND.

Brother Woody - preaching to the masses - he who's shit does not stink.


What an egomaniac.

I would love to meet you face to face chump.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You forgot about Merlin.

I think Merlin gives him some credit, and perhaps even Woody.

I'm assuming you don't read their posts.