Roster rehab, creative coaching lead to Packers' turnaround

[SkinBasket]

Debate.

Don't just slam me.

Please.

I'm ready.

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[Brohm]

[OS PA]

Because he's terrible. A total SHAM !

And we're all figments of your imagination...

Debate.

Don't just slam me.

Please.

I'm ready.

My Only problem with Woodbuck

Is that his posts are too long.

And that he writes in simple sentences.

That he always puts an enter after.

It's almost as if he doesn't know what a paragraph is!

But, I don't hate him.

I often read what he writes.

And sometimes

sometimes I agree with him.

More often than not, I feel that he's wrong.

But we're all wrong at times

If the man could just learn how to format a post correctly.

I would really see

nothing wrong

with him

at all.

[run pMc]

TT deserves some credit for this team's success, as do the coaches and the players. If this team was 2-12 we'd be heaping blame on them, so I think it's fair they share the accolades when they're doing well. It's a team game.

As for TT being slow and ponderous, it's past the trade deadline -- what should he be doing? Like most GMs and scouts, he's been scouting for the draft while his team plays. I have no problem with that. If this team wasn't better since he took over the job, I'd be more skeptical of his methods. Don't always agree with everything he does, but when your team goes from 4-12 to 12-2 in 3 seasons it's hard to argue with the results.

While we're at it, why not give a kudo to Harlan for yanking Sherman as GM and hiring TT, and then staying out of TT's way for the M3 hire?

[Tarlam!]

My Only problem with Woodbuck

Is that his posts are too long.

And that he writes in simple sentences.

That he always puts an enter after.

It's almost as if he doesn't know what a paragraph is!

But, I don't hate him.

I often read what he writes.

And sometimes

sometimes I agree with him.

More often than not, I feel that he's wrong.

But we're all wrong at times

If the man could just learn how to format a post correctly.

I would really see

nothing wrong

with him

at all.

My nomination for post of the year.

Content, tact, accuracy, imitation - all perfect 10's.

Give the man an award!!!

[woodbuck27]

He should be improving our team as best he can right now. NOT sitting back admiring his scenery.

He's not on the ball folks.

You're right. This team is a complete disaster with no shot at the play-offs.

Just playoff's is what this is all about.Favre and I waant a Super Bowl.

We've had just playoff's since 1997.

[Tarlam!]

Favre and I watr a Super Bowl.

Do you have any idea how conceited this makes you sound?

You are a fan. Favre is the solution.

[Deputy Nutz]

Terrell Owens? Randy Moss? The two biggest locker room cancers in professional sports and you wanted to bring them on the youngest team in the national football league with the hopes the General Favre could manage them by himself? Moss is looking good because he gets the ball, and scores 19 touchdown passes, things are going great for him. Owens no so much right now that his team has lost a whopping two games and he is talking "imaginary" smack about his QB and his personal life.

It sounds to me, that you are more of a fan of these two than you are of the Packers.

As much as I love Favre, he ain't the Packers, when he retires with or without going to another Super Bowl his legacy will still be intact, he will still be remembered as the Greatest, but life in Green Bay will go on, The "G" will still be on gold helmets, the jerseys will still be green, and the Packers will still play their games at Lambeau Field.

News flash Woody, this team is one of the top two teams in the NFC, a place they haven't been in 10 years, in those ten years, Ron Wolf has been GM, Mike Sherman has been GM and Ted Thompson as well. This team is still made up of decisions by all three men, they all deserve credit for this organization and the 12-2 record, but Thompson has rebuilt this franchise from a 4-12 disaster to a team that has a first round bye, and is in contention for home field advantage all in less than 3 years, that takes some talent as a GM, certainly not luck. This team has the depth and talent to make it to the Super Bowl, but on top of that, they have a heck of a Head Coach, that very few had faith in when he was hired, Ted Thompson did, and he made one of the most important decisions and choices in franchise history.

Final word, Favre hasn't done this on his own, and only a fool would think so, sure Favre is playing at the pinnacle of his ability, but his ability hasn't fluctuated over the past 10 years, the talent around him has, his decision making has, his coaching staff has, but Favre is one man, and get this, he doesn't even play defense, and on offense he still only plays QB. Favre didn't hire Mike McCarthy, in fact he didn't even have his opinion asked for. He didn't sit there in the draft war room and rebuild this franchise with young talent. Last time I checked Brett Favre was still, and only the QB of the Green Bay Packers, as fantastic and legendary as he is he is only one player in the long storied history of the Green Bay Packers.

[Badgepack]

Best post ever in reguards to the Moss and TT arguments.

[cheesner]

Thompson hired McCarthy so he gets ALL the credit right?

Show me where anyone has said that Thompson gets ALL the credit.

As posted above, MM and TT are a team. If either of these guys doesn't do their job, the Packers suffer. You can't assign a % of credit to the success of the Packers. However, everything begins and ends at the desk of Thompson. i was his vision of the Packers that led to the hiring of MM. Despite the continued assertions of the lingering remnants of the anti-TT crowd, the Packers are successful because of the moves and decisions of TT.

[Fred's Slacks]

I agree that TT made a mistake when he wasn't aggressive enough to acquire Moss. Despite the fact that we are the youngest team in the league, I think we have enough veteran leadership on this team that we don't have to worry about Moss becoming a cancer. I could be wrong but that's my opinion.

With that said, I don't hold this against TT because I can see why it happened. It's because TT doesn't waiver from his principles. He doesn't make a move unless he feels it is truly in the best interest of this football team. He doesn't take high risks. He only make a move if he feels the team is getting value for what their giving. Its because of those principles that we have the young talented roster that we have now.

So, maybe if TT was more of a risk taker, we'd have Moss on our Roster right now and him and Favre might be having a great season. However, if that were the case, I don't see us having as much young talent on the roster and I don't see us having the cap situation that we have because if TT were a risk taker he'd certainly have a number of other risky moves that didn't work out. Maybe we win another SB for Favre but then again maybe not. Then when he retires, we have more rebuilding to do because of the risks we took.

[MJZiggy]

I'm curious...what more should he have done? Which risk should he have taken?

[RashanGary]

I disagree that Ted Thompson isn't willing to take risks. He was one of two teams who pursued Randy Moss and in the end, Moss chose the Patriots. Reggie McKenzie said it was close, but "randy wanted to be a Patriot". Ted Thompson would have chosen Moss. Moss wasn't willing to choose the Packers if you believe Reggie McKenzie (Thompson highest ranking assistant).

Another risk was signing Woodson and giving him 10 million up front after he had been injured for 2 years in a row and nobody else was willing to give him another big pay day. It was Ted's biggest UFA move, and turns out Woodson is a hell of a corner back. He knew what he was doing. I don't think there are many UFAs that are as good as Woodson is (probowl level), but most of them get paid like probowlers. That's not Ted refusing to take risks. That's Ted refusing to take big recources away from the rest of his roster on average players.


The "Ted Thompson won't take risk" sentiment is nothing but a myth. I'd say a more accurate statement is "Ted Thompson doesn't take big risk unless he feels there is a big reward oppertunity attached and in this case, it's not even worth stating because all it really says is "TEd Thompson is an effective GM who knows how and when to use each market".

[Bretsky]

I disagree that Ted Thompson isn't willing to take risks. He was one of two teams who pursued Randy Moss and in the end, Moss chose the Patriots. Reggie McKenzie said it was close, but "randy wanted to be a Patriot". Ted Thompson would have chosen Moss. Moss wasn't willing to choose the Packers.

Another risk was signing Woodson and giving him 10 million up front after he had been injured for 2 years in a row and nobody else was willing to give him another big pay day. It was Ted's biggest UFA move, and turns out Woodson is a hell of a corner back. He knew what he was doing. I don't think there are many UFAs that are as good as Woodson is, but most of them get paid like probowlers. That's not Ted refusing to take risks. That's Ted refusing to take big recources away from the rest of his roster on an average player.


The "Ted Thompson won't take risk" sentiment is nothing but a myth. I'd say a more accurate statement is "Ted Thompson doesn't take big risk unless he feels there is a big reward oppertunity attached and in this case, it's not even worth stating because all it really says is "TEd Thompson is an effective GM who knows how to build a team".

You could also argue TT took a tremendous risk in offering Lavar Arrington a huge contract. He decided to play for less money somewhere else.

In retrospect, thank goodness he did

TT used the funds Arrington turned down to sign Woodson.

Had Arrington accpted the deal TT....or the Packers for that manner might not be looking quite as good right now.

[Oscar]

I'd like to see Thompson keep his hire from within method in tact.. Wait out the big spenders in the free agent market and continue to draft for depth. A lil good luck helps out too..