Roster rehab, creative coaching lead to Packers' turnaround

[RashanGary]

Yes Bretsky, that's part of the risk we talk about. Moss's knees/ankles held up. Even if they didn't, it was a good, calculated risk to give up a 3rd rounder for him. I think Arrington was such a physically strong player that he was worth an investment as well. Woodson the same. Hindsight tells us that two were good and one bad. With that in mind it's probably not good to run around dumping dough on the UFA market. It just doesn't seem to be as reliable as signing your own (knowing their health history), drafting and using more low risk UFA moves (although some big ones do work out).

It's a complex risk/reward balance. It's something I think I have a feel for, but I don't have enough of a grasp of it to really explain it in a post (obvioulsy because I can't make you see what I see). There are a lot of variables and ultimately you have to balance it all out and put a number on what the player is worht. He might flop, but the reward potential has to be big enough to take that risk. With the way UFA is used by some desperate GM's, I don't think it's a very good way to build a team unless you have a winning team and older, good players want to be on yoru team. NE is benefiting by this.

[Scott Campbell]

I find Woody's posts to read a lot like ransom notes, only not nearly as well organized and much less coherent.

[woodbuck27]

I find Woody's posts to read a lot like ransom notes, only not nearly as well organized and much less coherent.

I find that YOUR maturity's challenged most of the time Scott.

Your so challenged in life to be taken seriously as a judge of other's Scott. You need to clean up your own act, sonny.

Your 'in fact' pathetic, but I'm not your judge.

I never liked YOU sonny. Respect is out of the question.

I just got tired of making a fool out of you.

We certainly don't want to go there again Scott?

I don't think so, Eh?

Debating you is like taking candy fr. a baby. Hardly challenging. Hardly fair to you.

Your strength to debate = weak.

Your psychosis alarming!

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Not to be undone by another members criticism of me and my inability to formulate a paragraph I'll try to do that:

So, taking the above:

I find that YOUR maturity challenged. most of the time Scott. Your so challenged in life to be taken seriously as a judge of other's Scott. You need to clean up your own act. Your ' in fact ' pathetic Scott, but I'm not your judge. I'm prejudiced also Scott as I've never liked YOU, so respect is certainly out of the question.

Debating one - one with you Scott. I just got tired of making a fool of you, as you'd get so pissed and get on your psychocycle. Good grief those days, a hoot. NO! We don't want to go there again Scott for many reason's? Mostly, it's not healthy for our Forum.

Thinking. . . no. . .I don't think so Eh?

Anyway Scott. Debating you is like taking candy fr. a baby. Hardly challenging. Hardly fair to you Sonny. Your strength to debate = weak. Worse, your psychosis, alarming!

PACKERS FOREVER.

[woodbuck27]

I'm curious...what more should he have done? Which risk should he have taken?

He screwed up on missing out on Randy Moss.Try harder to get off that horse for once and simply show the parts to admit that is a fact mj.

Ted Thompson blew the Randy Moss (possible signingù); because he made an assumption that he had that deal set in place, without the proper follow-up. The importance of closing that deal meant, for our team and it's future was obviously underrated by Ted Thompson as otherwise wouldn't he have secured the Moss deal?

Ted Thompson went to sleep on that one.

Every week that Randy Moss demonstrates to us his outstanding skills and leadership and his creditable attitude towords winning for the NE Patriots. Places more emphasis on the fact that Ted Thompson blew that one BIG TIME.


YOU of all people know he blew that one. So it's simple mj. JUST simply ADMIT IT mj. Be honest.

It has to be difficult for you to come to the TRUTH. Especially given that I oppose Ted Thompson with a passion based in my close observation of his incompetence mj.

Still mj:

DID TT BLOW or NOT BLOW on the Randy Moss to Green Bay deal, that you and I and many other's here; and especially Brett Favre we're so passionate about?

YES or NO.

It's not an essay question mj.

PACKERS FOREVER.

[MJZiggy]

I'm curious...what more should he have done? Which risk should he have taken?

He screwed up on missing out on Randy Moss.Try harder to get off that horse for once and simply show the parts to admit that is a fact mj.

Ted Thompson blew the Randy Moss (possible signingù); because he made an assumption that he had that deal set in place, without the proper follow-up. The importance of closing that deal meant, for our team and it's future was obviously underrated by Ted Thompson as otherwise wouldn't he have secured the Moss deal?

Ted Thompson went to sleep on that one.

Every week that Randy Moss demonstrates to us his outstanding skills and leadership and his creditable attitude towords winning for the NE Patriots. Places more emphasis on the fact that Ted Thompson blew that one BIG TIME.


YOU of all people know he blew that one. So it's simple mj. JUST simply ADMIT IT mj. Be honest.

It has to be difficult for you to come to the TRUTH. Especially given that I oppose Ted Thompson with a passion based in my close observation of his incompetence mj.

Still mj:

DID TT BLOW or NOT BLOW on the Randy Moss to Green Bay deal, that you and I and many other's here; and especially Brett Favre we're so passionate about?

YES or NO.

It's not an essay question mj.

PACKERS FOREVER.

What is the "proper follow-up?" Follow up to say what?

[Joemailman]

Just wondering...If the Packers shut down Randy Moss in the Super Bowl, and James Jones catches the winning TD pass, was TT still wrong?

[Scott Campbell]

We certainly don't want to go there again Scott?

Sure. Why not. I really enjoyed the last beating you administered.

Like the time when you sent Harlan letter after letter after letter.........

And then you went away for a while.

[Fred's Slacks]

OK, Thompson takes risks but no bigger risk than any other GM in the NFL. As a GM every move you make has some risk involved. But when you think about it, how much risk was he really taking with the Moss and Woodson deals? I mean we were offering a 5th for Moss. A 5th round choice for one of the most talented receivers in the league. And it was contingent on him tearing up his contract and signing a new one. Where's the risk? If he pans out, you're golden. If not, you let him walk the following year. With Woodson we signed him to a front loaded contract (like the deal we offered Arrington). If he flops, we cut him with little salary cap ramifications. We had plenty of cap room in the first year to absorb the hit. These were not high risk moves.

I am definitely not attacking him for not taking risks. I think he's doing a fantastic job. He seems slow, but only because he trusts his skill as a talent evaluator and knows he's going to fill the roster with talent. He doesn't need to rush to grab the next hot free agent because he knows that when you rush, you make mistakes.

[Partial]

Why do we need Moss? I don't get it? Our receiving corps is the BEST in the NFL and nothing short of dynamic. Moss would just take up more of our cap room and stunt the development of our youngsters.

Instead of Jennings having 12 TDs, Moss would have 12. That is the only difference imo. We might have a better record but does it really matter at this point? We're a good team.

[MJZiggy]

I think the difference between Woodson and Moss was that Woodson wanted to come here. We were willing to let him play corner (and what a boneheaded decision that turned out to be...) and he had a chip on his shoulder. The contract itself was brilliantly worked and everybody's happy.

Moss wanted to be in NE. He was unwilling to rework the deal for us from what I've read and the minute he got the chance to go where he wanted to, he jumped at it. I wonder if in hindsight, it would still make that much difference to him. Not like we're that far behind the Pats and it seems to me like our guys are having a LOT more fun.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Just wondering...If the Packers shut down Randy Moss in the Super Bowl, and James Jones catches the winning TD pass, was TT still wrong?

Yes. What don't you understand?

[Carolina_Packer]

Who cares at this point what happened with Moss? That ship has sailed, so whining about it won't get it back. Move on. If you want to play gotcha on moves that a GM should have made, go ahead, but it's not very convincing when the team we all pull for is 12-2, despite not having closed the deal you want to keep talking about.

TT doesn't deserve ALL the credit, just what is due to him. What he can and does control he's had way more hits than misses. If the guys he's put on and kept on the roster couldn't play, even a good coach like McCarthy probably wouldn't be coaching them to a 12-2 record.

[woodbuck27]

I'm curious...what more should he have done? Which risk should he have taken?

He screwed up on missing out on Randy Moss.Try harder to get off that horse for once and simply show the parts to admit that is a fact mj.

Ted Thompson blew the Randy Moss (possible signingù); because he made an assumption that he had that deal set in place, without the proper follow-up. The importance of closing that deal meant, for our team and it's future was obviously underrated by Ted Thompson as otherwise wouldn't he have secured the Moss deal?

Ted Thompson went to sleep on that one.

Every week that Randy Moss demonstrates to us his outstanding skills and leadership and his creditable attitude towords winning for the NE Patriots. Places more emphasis on the fact that Ted Thompson blew that one BIG TIME.


YOU of all people know he blew that one. So it's simple mj. JUST simply ADMIT IT mj. Be honest.

It has to be difficult for you to come to the TRUTH. Especially given that I oppose Ted Thompson with a passion based in my close observation of his incompetence mj.

Still mj:

DID TT BLOW or NOT BLOW on the Randy Moss to Green Bay deal, that you and I and many other's here; and especially Brett Favre we're so passionate about?

YES or NO.

It's not an essay question mj.

PACKERS FOREVER.

What is the "proper follow -up?" Follow up to say what?

CVCan't you simply admit that Ted Thompson blew on that weak attempt to acquire Randy Moss.

It's baqck to that Poker game analogy mj.

Sometimes a decent poker player has to go all in when the value is in the hand and the pot will reward.

Ted Thompson wasn't in the game on that hand mj. A goo0d GM can,t be3 that and half heartedly go about his business.

People here still want to make Moss out to be the bad boy and he,s obviously the best WR in the NFL.

I won't even debate with these types that are so Redneckish in their attitude's about certain noteable stars in the NFL that it's just ridiculous to bother trying to convince them otherwise.

I'll adopt the stance as a rule for me on this suspiscion (ONLY).

A Redneck. Always a Redneck.

Maybe they are just in denial. Randy Moss is awesome.

We could have had him and not New England if Ted Thompson wa half into his job.

If I wanted to take the time to really show all here just how ordinary at best he is as a GM it would be too embarassing for a lot of very solid people here except for their fairy dust eyes for Ted Thompson.

Your one of them mj.

One of the blind?

Why do I see it so differently than a lot of other's here mj. In really pay attention to all things Packer.I've watched this man,s every NOT move since his arrival.

I have little use for him. I don't TRUST him. I think he could have drafted a lot better than he's demonstrated.

Especially given theat wonderful resume.

Clearly Randy Moss could have helped us and not made NE as strong as we now see them.

What . . . I believe yesterday it was 1-8 favourites to win the Super Bowl. Bet 8 dollars to win 1 dollar. That's just sick.

Did TT blow it on Moss?

[Bretsky]

Just wondering...If the Packers shut down Randy Moss in the Super Bowl, and James Jones catches the winning TD pass, was TT still wrong?

I guess that might be a good compromise if you will admit he was wrong by not signing him if NE does win it all and Moss catches the winning TD pass

Seriously, overall TT has done a very good job of rebuilding this roster. Every GM will make mistakes. It's part of the game.


If somebody asks me on the street where TT erred, it would be my view that the two mistakes I see were not securing Moss and drafting Harrell. But I liked Meachem....although it appears there might be character flaws on him that I could not see since I'm just a fan and don't get to look at his personality...etc.

Just my view, and I certainly will entertain the possibility that Harrell can still develop and be a very good pick.

IMO Leaper was the guy who had this pegged from the start. He liked Reggie Nelson as our pick well before the draft. If I could do it again I'd make Reggie Nelson a Packer.


Cheers,
B

[Bretsky]

Who cares at this point what happened with Moss? That ship has sailed, so whining about it won't get it back. Move on. If you want to play gotcha on moves that a GM should have made, go ahead, but it's not very convincing when the team we all pull for is 12-2, despite not having closed the deal you want to keep talking about.

TT doesn't deserve ALL the credit, just what is due to him. What he can and does control he's had way more hits than misses. If the guys he's put on and kept on the roster couldn't play, even a good coach like McCarthy probably wouldn't be coaching them to a 12-2 record.

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