Roster rehab, creative coaching lead to Packers' turnaround

[Deputy Nutz]

Hmmm....I wonder if Nutz realizes that the alpha male in any dog pack is usually ruled over by the alpha female...

I do realize that.

[Harlan Huckleby]

tape that alpha female to a chair and stick a tennis ball in her mouth. Respect has to be earned - get busy.

[woodbuck27]

Now !

How about that truce? We have a huge game coming up. The Giants to defeat.

We're starting to act like the Catholics and the Protestants of Belfast Ireland. Not Packer fans all of us.

PACKERS FOREVER!

You Canadians and your white flags....

I only respond to you when I see something stupid. Be smarter.

WHAT?!!?!

No really. I think we can solve this if we move the conjecture into the lobby and meet the people from the other side of town.

DRINK IT DOWN!!

I don't hate the woodbuck. The woodbuck loves the woodchuck who completed the cunning stunt.

Let's adjourn this meeting until February.

No more nasties Woody cheese, and the mousies wont nibble your knees.

Group hug. Leg hump. Milk shake.

PEACE if not Harmony Skinbasket.

I believe we agree on this one.

GO PACKERS!!

[woodbuck27]

Now !

How about that truce? We have a huge game coming up. The Giants to defeat.

We're starting to act like the Catholics and the Protestants of Belfast Ireland. Not Packer fans all of us.

PACKERS FOREVER!

I will give you your truce, and the fact is I really do not want to waste any more of my time on this subject, I will not argue on this topic until the post season of 2008 begins, as for the verbal warfare, I will back off, although you did refer to me as a nazi.

Thank You Sir.

We imply a lot of things that don't hold any water here sometimes.I prefer it to be like a good marriage promise. At the end of the day the fighting ends with some better understanding or a promise to at least try to get there tomorrow.

I don't have any foundation of you being a Nazi Nutz. Therefore I don't think your a Nazi. I TRUST that you didn't lose any sleep over that one. If you got there or ever do again (miss sleep for any reason). May I recommend Valerian or a few beers.

Yes.

This may come up again in the off season. I hope that we can get there with more understanding all around. Bottom line is we all want the best for the Packers.

PACKERS FOREVER!

[woodbuck27]

I stand alone and I'll defend it all alone and do so very well Packer fans.

Some people stand alone righteously to defend something honorable. Other people stand alone simply because they are assholes. You're just an asshole Woody. You don't need a truce. You need to quit being an asshole.

Scott try harder to grow up. Get a grip.

Sure.

Packers Forever!

[woodbuck27]

Hmmm....I wonder if Nutz realizes that the alpha male in any dog pack is usually ruled over by the alpha female...

Any somewhat wise or sensable man realizes that WOMEN RULE mj.

Scott Campbell has seven of them trying their best to rule him but . . . It's hardly worth it.

[woodbuck27]

I stand alone and I'll defend it all alone and do so very well Packer fans.

Some people stand alone righteously to defend something honorable. Other people stand alone simply because they are assholes. You're just an asshole Woody. You don't need a truce. You need to quit being an asshole.

Scott I accepted the truce and I sort of see myself as a bad ass rightous leader and alpa dog of this forum, after all I am a heavy hitter around here so I took the truce for all of us against Woody. The last thing I want is for Woody to leave.

Nutz:

Trust this. I've never been a quitter. Not the way I was raised.

I love this forum.

GO PACKERS!!

[MJZiggy]

I prefer it to be like a good marriage promise. At the end of the day the fighting ends with some better understanding or a promise to at least try to get there tomorrow.

I thought in a good marriage promise, the fighting ended with make-up sex.

[Scott Campbell]

I stand alone and I'll defend it all alone and do so very well Packer fans.

Some people stand alone righteously to defend something honorable. Other people stand alone simply because they are assholes. You're just an asshole Woody. You don't need a truce. You need to quit being an asshole.

Scott try harder to grow up. Get a grip.

Sure.

Packers Forever!

Try harder???

I'm not trying at all.

[Freak Out]

This is pretty funny....really.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, the Packers had a higher #4 than New England. NE ended up getting him for less than the Packers offered. Why? Because Randy Moss had an exporbanant contract that nobody in the NFL was willing to eat. Any team trading any thing for Randy was doing it knowing Randy was going to renegotiate. With this in mind, Randy had power.

With his bargaining power he chose NE. The Packers probably could have swooped in with more money (If Randy ever gave them the chance to counter offer). That may have been a mistake but then again do you really want someone that wants to be somewhere else? It was a tough move, but I don't think it's as clear cut as you make it.

I was upset that he didn't get Moss and I'd call us the SB favorite if we had him. Hindsight, TT may have made a mistake (depending on how everything unfolded). It was a tough choice that most GM's accross the league thought was an easy one. They didn't even get in the discussion. Ted and one other GM did. Ultimately he made the wrong choice (or was victim of Randy's change of heart) and it hurts (more because NE is damn near unstoppable now) but at the end of the day, you can't really be too hard on the guy for the one move tha tdidn't pan out (esspecially when he was only one of two GM's on the right tack). Most everything else has worked out over the long run. What mroe can you ask for?

This has come up before.

Can someone check that. My time on the puter is very limited these days.

Oakland picked 1st and 11th in the 4th round.

We picked at position # 20 in the 4th round.

The issue of cost and Randy Moss wasn't a huge one ( or factor) this year as I understood it. The question was Moss doing very well as he has and retaining him for 2008 and beyond (with also his age a concsideration).

I'm not arguing this matter, rather trying to come to some real sense of it all, and the facts the best we can gleen them as a forum on all of this Randy Moss lands in NE stuff.

As a follow-up to above:

At some point in time:

Our original 4th round pick number 112 was traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers for No. 119 (in the 4th round) & 192 (in the 6th round).

[woodbuck27]

I prefer it to be like a good marriage promise. At the end of the day the fighting ends with some better understanding or a promise to at least try to get there tomorrow.

I thought in a good marriage promise, the fighting ended with make-up sex.

Wouldn't that be relly nice.

I doubt that is the case though generally but surely your jesting mj. The battle of the sex's will always go on.

[woodbuck27]

I stand alone and I'll defend it all alone and do so very well Packer fans.

Some people stand alone righteously to defend something honorable. Other people stand alone simply because they are assholes. You're just an asshole Woody. You don't need a truce. You need to quit being an asshole.

Scott try harder to grow up. Get a grip.

Sure.

Packers Forever!

Try harder???

I'm not trying at all.

That's evident Scott.

[woodbuck27]

This is pretty funny....really.

Maybe just a good airing of dirty laundry.

[MJZiggy]

Woodbuck, if you go to packers.com, look in the 2007 video archives and check out Brett Favre's press conference from, I think, May 5, you will learn a lot. But be careful to get the right one, 'cause the one from the 18th could cure insomnia.