Four Pro Bowlers

[b bulldog]

Throw enough crap against the wall and something is bound to stick. Nick, hopefully I'll be dead wrong about the next Packers/Cowboys game.

[HarveyWallbangers]

VY is a winner. Mario turned into a hell of a player. I think bulldog is 2 for 2 on that draft.

Young is a taller Mike Vick. He's average and overhyped. He's as overhyped as Reggie Bush. Bulldog likes to post stats to try to prove other guys are better than Hawk. He should post Young's stats. I'll do it for him: 171 passing yards/game, 9 TDs, 16 interceptions. He makes Vick look like John Elway in passing.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Again, have to give him credit on Mario Williams though. He might be the best player in that draft when all is said and done. And just because he was the #1 pick doesn't mean that was close to guaranteed.

[b bulldog]

His stats do suck, he has had a terrible season but he has no wr's at all. I think he will be fine. he did well last season when he had a few more weapons and I think he will do fine when he gets a few more but this year, I can't defend him.

[Deputy Nutz]

Mario Williams had like 9 sacks in his last three games or something, otherwise he was having a pretty non descriptive year. he is turning in to a monster.

[b bulldog]

Leinart is even worse, he was scared silley by the Steelers D.

[b bulldog]

9 IN THE LAST 5 GAMES. Sacks do come in bunches, look at kampman.

[RashanGary]

I don't think bulldog is right on Hawk. Hawk has played very, very solid football. I compare him to the Patroit defenders. They don't put up monster numbers, but all of them play smart, tough football. That is Hawk. He's as consistant as they get.

[b bulldog]

I think I'm dead on with hawk. On Fox sports, they have Ernie Sims as one of the biggest disappointments on not making the probowl. Ryans is starting also so I guess I am correct on my assertion that we could have passed on Hawk and still got another good LB if we traded down when the Raiders wanted to move up.

[b bulldog]

As consistent as you can get at being a what, surely not a stud. You all told me that Hawk was going to be better than Mario.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think I'm dead on with hawk. On Fox sports, they have Ernie Sims as one of the biggest disappointments on not making the probowl. Ryans is starting also so I guess I am correct on my assertion that we could have passed on Hawk and still got another good LB if we traded down when the Raiders wanted to move up.

Wrong. That is why the media doesn't vote because 90% of them look up the box score to determine who is good. The players and coaches actually watch tape on these guys and then game plan around them, and most importantly they play the game against each other.

I seriously wish you would just shut up on this, the fact is the Packer have Hawk and he contributes quite a bit to our top ten defense. I know it isn't easy to listen to JH and then he forces you to respond with the same shit you have been mumbling about for two seasons.

[Merlin]

The Pro-Bowl is meaningless unless you have a contract incentive. Over-hyped by the media players who can thank Fox, ESPN (ABC) & NBC for their trip. Fans listen to them and players listen to them. Coaches, who knows how they vote. 10 years ago, hell up to about 5 years ago it was a lot different. It's just the world we live in, hype sells.

That's a wide net you are casting there.....so Favre, Brady, Moss etc etc are a product of over-hyped media players?

I am not in the mood. Please read the entire post before you start shit again.

[RashanGary]

As consistent as you can get at being a what, surely not a stud. You all told me that Hawk was going to be better than Mario.

I never said that, but I was playing both sides of the fence in those days so my opinion doesn't count.

I would still take Hawk over either Ryans or Sims. I think he's tougher than either. Sims is very inconsistant. The game we played Detroit, we really picked on him in the pass game. He was consistantly out of position. Maybe that's why he gets so many tackles. Ryans is a damn fine football player. He's close to Hawk IMO. Hawk just plays on a better defense and plays 2nd fiddle to #56 because 56 already put in his time and earned the playmaking position in the defense.

[b bulldog]

Nutz, dead on correct and the numbers and notoriety proves it. Hawk is another overrated big ten lb. Your dead wrong!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nutz, dead on correct and the numbers and notoriety proves it. Hawk is another overrated big ten lb. Your dead wrong!

Wrong! (See Darren Sharper.)