Four Pro Bowlers

[b bulldog]

Big surprise, harv has a woody for an overrated Buckeye Well if hawk and Sims both are on the list, I guess that makes two for Sims, one for Hawk but I alsways get one heck of a kick how you think you know more than Wolf, Holgren and various sportswriters o'great one. I guess I really don't like Hawk as much as Sims and henderson is better than both.

[b bulldog]

Hawk is comparable to greenway, both play next to good MLB's right and both have similiar stats. Some people believe playing on an inferior D makes it harder to make plays cause your surrounded by just guys and they don't force things but I'm sure the great Harv will say they are all wrong Harv "thinks"he knows best!

[b bulldog]

Greenway, 82 tackles,1 forced fumble and 2 pics.
Hawk, 94 tackles, 1 forced fumble, 1 sack and 1 pic. Greenway is right with the great Hawk and he plays next to a stud MLB Greenway was snubbed! Lets see here, Ryans you said is worse than Hawk, Sims is worse than Hawk, McIntosh I don't know what you think anbout him, Greenway i'm sure is much worse also even though all of your arguements for Hawk in regards to Sims work in Greenways favor against hawk to make them pretty much the same type of player, am I missing anyone from that class?? maybe Howard from the Raiders who has 84 tackles, 1 sack and 6 pics but I'm sure Hawk is way better than him. I guess I should take the advice of an old man that told me to never debate with a person who avoids the facts By the way, some think howard was snubbed also

[the_idle_threat]

[The Leaper]

Hawk is comparable to greenway, both play next to good MLB's right and both have similiar stats.

Outside of the fact that Hawk has ten times the durability, I might agree with you.

[The Leaper]

I'm glad we only got 4 guys in...the motivation factor for the rest of the year is going to be extremely high. There won't be any getting fat and happy with this bunch now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Greenway, 82 tackles,1 forced fumble and 2 pics.
Hawk, 94 tackles, 1 forced fumble, 1 sack and 1 pic. Greenway is right with the great Hawk and he plays next to a stud MLB Greenway was snubbed! Lets see here, Ryans you said is worse than Hawk, Sims is worse than Hawk, McIntosh I don't know what you think anbout him, Greenway i'm sure is much worse also even though all of your arguements for Hawk in regards to Sims work in Greenways favor against hawk to make them pretty much the same type of player, am I missing anyone from that class?? maybe Howard from the Raiders who has 84 tackles, 1 sack and 6 pics but I'm sure Hawk is way better than him. I guess I should take the advice of an old man that told me to never debate with a person who avoids the facts By the way, some think howard was snubbed also

I love how you base things on stats. Stats are one comparison, but you don't take into account other factors--unless it helps your argument. Your ball washing of Greenway just again proves how little you know. The guy at work who is a Vikings fan just told me yesterday about how disappointed he is in Greenway. He thinks Greenway has been pretty ordinary. Apparently, he's misses a lot of tackles. I trust his opinion more than yours. He watches every game and he has less of an axe to grind. Now, he doesn't think Greenway is a complete hack, but it's pretty normal for a second year player to go through some struggles. This guy thinks Henderson is great. He thinks Barnett is great. And he likes Hawk more than Greenway at this point from the games he's watched. That's from a Vikings fan whose opinion I trust. He also likes Greenway as a person as much as any player on the Vikings roster. He talks about how Greenway seems like a good South Dakota farmboy who comes across great in interviews. Hawk is a damn good player. End of story. No matter how often you belittle him, that story won't change.

[GrnBay007]

Honestly, why do we have to go through this same shit with Hawk and Sims every week?


Give it up already.

Right. Esp. when there are more important things to debate....like the pros and cons of TT!!







kidding :P

[HarveyWallbangers]

Other points he made to me yesterday:

1) He compared Tarvaris Jackson to Shaun King. He said Jackson is young, so he hasn't given up hope, but he isn't on the bandwagon yet.
2) He didn't think Darren Sharper deserved to make the Pro Bowl. He was iffy on Tony Richardson because he feels like Jim Kleinsasser and Jeff Dugan fill the FB role on the Vikings as much as Richardson.
3) He thinks Steve Hutchinson deserved the Pro Bowl nod. He was iffy on Matt Birk. He thinks he's good, but he doesn't know enough about the other OCs in the NFC.
4) Obviously, he loves Adrian Peterson. He really likes Sidney Rice also.
5) He feels like E.J. Henderson has played at Pro Bowl level.
6) Contrary to what I believed, he likes Kevin Williams more than Pat Williams--despite Kevin's ordinary stats. He just thinks Kevin is a more complete player. I trust him on that.
7) He's still not a believer in Brad Childress yet.

Forgot to add that he thinks Greenway is arm tackling too much and he's been burned in coverage too much. He believes he has the athleticism to be good, but thinks he still needs to get stronger. To be fair (my opinion), he did miss most of last season, so he's behind Hawk in his development.

[packers11]

Honestly, why do we have to go through this same shit with Hawk and Sims every week?

Hawk plays on a much better defense, he has better players around him, he plays a lot more coverage. He needs to improve his blitzing, but he has really turned it on in the 2nd half.

Sims plays on a terrible defense, they give up the most points in the NFL. He hits harder than Hawk, but from what I've seen isn't asked to play much man coverage, and when I have seen it it hasn't been pretty. He has shitty players around him so of course he will shine more.

Our D is more structured than Detroit's. Sims is allowed to be more of a freelancer. If he jumps out of his gap it's not as noticeable because their defense sucks anyways. I think Hawk does a great job of taking care of HIS responsibilities in our scheme. Maybe Sims would thrive in our rigid defense. Maybe Hawk would excel being able to run around more and just play off his pure football instincts. No one knows.

Give it up already.

[b bulldog]

Harv no matter how you build Hawk up the simple fact won't change that he is at best the fourth best lb in the class and like I stated earlier, you always bring Barnett to Hawks aid in regards to plays made but I just knew the same wouldn't be in effect for greeenway and I was right. You keep your love for Hawk and just keep telling yourself how great he is.

[b bulldog]

A friend of mine who is from Minny and recently moved to central WI has told me that this is basicly Chad's rookie season and he would never trade Greenway for Hawk, he thinks Greenway is better and has more upside. I guess my buddy thinks yours is wrong but I'm sure yours is correct just like you always think you are. Hint, look at the numbers, so very close they are and they play next to stud MLB's.

[b bulldog]

I have another friend that thinks Sims is the second best LB in the north behind a healthy Urlacher.

[The Leaper]

I have another friend that thinks Sims is the second best LB in the north behind a healthy Urlacher.

I have a friend who thinks Janet Reno is a supermodel.

Are you going to fuck her, bulldog?

Claiming "I have a friend who..." as any kind of quantitative evidence to prove your point simply makes you look like a retard.

But I shouldn't say that, as it would be offensive to retards.

[GBRulz]

I have a theory. I think that a big piece of whether you get into the Pro Bowl this year depends on how you played LAST year...

Good point. Pro Bowlers usually make it a year after when they first should have, and then name recognition keeps them on the team a year or two longer then they should have.

Well, Tony Romo went last year and he didn't even play the year before, so I have to say the theory is flawed!! Which brings me to why I feel Ryan Grant got a big time snub on the PB. Romo made the PB last year and he didn't even start until week 7. Ryan has been the overall leading rusher in the league since what, week 8?

Ryan Grant gets my vote for the biggest snub.