Four Pro Bowlers

[b bulldog]

actually Leaper, Harv was the first so mine was a mock and nothing more. Harv talks in circles, Hawk doesn't get the numbers cause he plays next to 56 but in greenways case, that excuse doesn't hold up. henderson is also a stud MLB and I'm sure he takes plays away from greenway like 56 must to Hawk??
Good comeback leaper, shows your maturity Thought you were better than that!

[Rastak]

My takes in bold

Other points he made to me yesterday:

1) He compared Tarvaris Jackson to Shaun King. He said Jackson is young, so he hasn't given up hope, but he isn't on the bandwagon yet.

Not a bad comparrison. He throws harder but man he's green.

2) He didn't think Darren Sharper deserved to make the Pro Bowl. He was iffy on Tony Richardson because he feels like Jim Kleinsasser and Jeff Dugan fill the FB role on the Vikings as much as Richardson.

I agree with him on Sharper, but guys do make it on reputation. Sharper has made some really nice plays this year. Got toasted a few times too. I disagree on Dugan, Richardson is as good as any other full back in the NFC clearly the best the Vikings have.

3) He thinks Steve Hutchinson deserved the Pro Bowl nod. He was iffy on Matt Birk. He thinks he's good, but he doesn't know enough about the other OCs in the NFC.

Yea, agreed with that too. It's hard to watch individual lineman to really judge. Top rated run offense = good line play so I'm not thinking it's a travesty or anything like that.

4) Obviously, he loves Adrian Peterson. He really likes Sidney Rice also.

They both have bright futures.

5) He feels like E.J. Henderson has played at Pro Bowl level.

No question. Ben Leber has been solid as hell too, although not at a pro bowl level I guess.


6) Contrary to what I believed, he likes Kevin Williams more than Pat Williams--despite Kevin's ordinary stats. He just thinks Kevin is a more complete player. I trust him on that.

Kevin is a great athlete. Pat dominates in stretches. I guess I'd like Kevin more because he's younger and much more athletic but Fat Pat is a very good DT.

7) He's still not a believer in Brad Childress yet.

Welcome to the club, friend of Harv.

Forgot to add that he thinks Greenway is arm tackling too much and he's been burned in coverage too much. He believes he has the athleticism to be good, but thinks he still needs to get stronger. To be fair (my opinion), he did miss most of last season, so he's behind Hawk in his development.


I'd give Greenway a "B" for this season. I haven't seen enough of Hawk to really compare. Greenway gets beat in coverage on occasion but he really moves well and makes plays. He probably could get stronger but it's pretty amazing how he rehabbed that knee. He was FULL SPEED in training camp after an ACL tear. Not bad. I happy with him at LB.

[Rastak]

I have another friend that thinks Sims is the second best LB in the north behind a healthy Urlacher.

I have a friend who thinks Janet Reno is a supermodel.

Are you going to fuck her, bulldog?

Claiming "I have a friend who..." as any kind of quantitative evidence to prove your point simply makes you look like a retard.


But I shouldn't say that, as it would be offensive to retards.

You calling Harv a Tard for doing the same thing in this thread?

[HarveyWallbangers]

A friend of mine who is from Minny and recently moved to central WI has told me that this is basicly Chad's rookie season and he would never trade Greenway for Hawk, he thinks Greenway is better and has more upside.

Most fans are homers. My friend isn't.

[Rastak]

A friend of mine who is from Minny and recently moved to central WI has told me that this is basicly Chad's rookie season and he would never trade Greenway for Hawk, he thinks Greenway is better and has more upside.

Most fans are homers. My friend isn't.

Purple Wist?


j/k

[mmmdk]

Pro bowl snubbing or not; winning in january & february is all that counts. If Packers go to the SB then the PB voting was wrong.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Purple Wist?

No, he's actually positive. He just calls it as he sees them. I think he's gun-shy with some of the tough times the Vikes have been through. He stays grounded when things are going well, but stays positive when things look bleak. He's not afraid to laugh at his own team either--even though it's obvious it kills him when they do bad.

He's the Vikings version of superfan.

[Rastak]

Purple Wist?

No, he's actually positive. He just calls it as he sees them. I think he's gun-shy with some of the tough times the Vikes have been through. He stays grounded when things are going well, but stays positive when things look bleak. He's not afraid to laugh at his own team either--even though it's obvious it kills him when they do bad.

He's the Vikings version of superfan.

I think I'd get along with him. He sounds like a typical Viking fan, and the way I feel. They ( the Vikes) screw with my mind so much I'm always suspisious yet endlessly hopeful when the season starts before anything bad happens. Even when things turn I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. But to be honest, the Vikings offense really does lack so staying grounded right now is easy as hell.